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Post by lakeshowallday on Oct 18, 2018 21:19:14 GMT -8
Portland fans 🙄
0-1 let’s hope they look better on Saturday
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 21:21:59 GMT -8
Trust the process. Also 1st game of the year in Portland. F U NBA
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Post by lakerpanther on Oct 18, 2018 21:23:32 GMT -8
Bball IQ.....smh. We should not be the ones making stupid mistakes....but we are. New players, but same shit as last year. Turnovers and bad perimeter D. I question Luke. It will get better, have to account for new personnel and playing a team that has played longer together and is just as hungry to win their home opener. This team is not going to win 60 games, it will be a work in progress. 60???!! Lol. We still in the West. I’m hoping 4 or 5 seed at best. But the team will improve each game that’s what I hope for
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Post by LDG on Oct 18, 2018 21:24:32 GMT -8
So, Luke is telling us that KCP earned a starting role over Hart/Kuz... or anybody else... how again?
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Post by history2b on Oct 18, 2018 21:24:36 GMT -8
We had our sloppy moments all game. The sync will come. Need to see Zo and Kuz out there more with Lebron and Hart needs to play every minute over KCP. Won’t happen cause Luke won’t do it but he can’t afford to not recognize Kentavious’s negative effects when we have hungry capable players on the bench.
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Oct 18, 2018 21:24:38 GMT -8
Apparently Portland never loses opening night so whatever. You can blame things, blame defense (but don't!), rotations, certain players, but basically the difference in this game was they made their open shots and we didn't. That's why we lost.
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Post by history2b on Oct 18, 2018 21:26:12 GMT -8
Apparently Portland never loses opening night so whatever. You can blame things, blame defense (but don't!), rotations, certain players, but basically the difference in this game was they made their open shots and we didn't. That's why we lost. We missed A LOT of open 3s from quarters 1-3.
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Post by LDG on Oct 18, 2018 21:31:28 GMT -8
Apparently Portland never loses opening night so whatever. Damn near 20 year streak at home... lol It would have been nice to end it, but that's a tough game for LA, not opening at Staples and playing a well-meshed team.
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Post by lakeshow on Oct 18, 2018 22:16:58 GMT -8
It will get better, have to account for new personnel and playing a team that has played longer together and is just as hungry to win their home opener. This team is not going to win 60 games, it will be a work in progress. 60???!! Lol. We still in the West. I’m hoping 4 or 5 seed at best. But the team will improve each game that’s what I hope for Yes, some fans think we’ll win 60.
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Post by sclakersfan on Oct 19, 2018 3:10:05 GMT -8
Just saw the game and read the comments from ya'll. I agree with most everything that has been said here. My random thoughts....To say we can play small ball and win is just plain ignorant. We were much better with McGee in the game. Kuz is not ready for the 5, and it is hurting his offensive abilities (which this team is going to need). Bron played well, but not great. He's not quite on the same page with our guys yet. Hart over KCP all day, every day. BI/Bron/Kuz/Hart/Zo is our best lineup combination, but, again, who plays the 5? Bron can do it, but should that be his role? I don't want to see Lance on the floor very much this year. I have been an advocate for KCP in the past....in the past. Have a seat next to Lance. Rondo will be a good leader off the bench. Zo needs to start and lead this team. Sloppy game overall, but I think we will improve as guys gel together in live action. Luke better get his lineups set, though....as many have said on this board, it is his biggest flaw as a coach. Have a freakin' starting 5 and regular bench rotation. PERIOD!! Looking forward to Mo's return and Svi's debut. This team will win between 40 and 50 games this season. That's all I can think of....sad game to watch, though, sans a few exciting dunks. I dare say last year's team may well have won this game. World's gonna keep spinnin', but there are definitely going to be many growing pains ahead.
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Post by laker8la on Oct 19, 2018 7:22:06 GMT -8
After sleeping on it and re-watching the highlights, I saw a lot of good things from this team that encourage me. In the first quarter to start the game, the Lakers were playing excellent defense, and most of it was because of McGee. He was doing a good job of using his length to alter shots and clog up passing lanes in the paint. He got his hands on a few passes as well. We jumped out to a 10 pt early lead....and then Luke pulled McGee too early and played Kuzma at the 5. Dumb move, IMO. Immediately the Lakers lost their lead and most of it was second chance points and lack of perimeter defense. I love Kuzma but he is not able to handle the 5 duties, especially against teams with legitimate centers. In this game, when McGee was in, we played good defense and ran the court very well. When he wasn't in there, we fell apart and got shredded on the boards. Against smaller teams, we can run the death lineup and do great...but McGee needs to play a larger role against teams with bigger centers. Why Luke can't see this is beyond me.
Secondly, Hart not starting over KCP is a damn shame. He put in the work and he earned that spot. He played fantastic defense last night and hit some big shots and was taking the ball to the basket with reckless abandon. KCP was a piece of shit yet again, but somehow he gets to start and play heavy minutes?
Third, Ball needs to start. Ball fits in better with that first team and can stretch the floor for LeBron with his three point shooting. Rondo is not a very good three point shooter and teams just sag off of him and clog the paint. Ball also is the superior defender and rebounder. Rondo would serve us better running that second unit with Kuzma.
Even though we shot like shit from downtown, turned the ball over excessively, and got killed on the offensive glass we still had a real shot to win that game last night, despite Luke's stupid rotations. I didn't expect a win in Portland right off the bat, but I wish Luke would put us in a better position to win games. Part of the reason we lost so many close games last year was because of youth, but part of it was also because of Luke's lineups. It wasn't until the second half of last season that we started to win those close games and it's no secret that it coincided with Luke settling in on a consistent rotation that made sense. Preseason is supposed to be when you tinker with lineups and figure out what works best and with whom. He tinkered for the first two months last year and even had Randle coming off the bench (travesty). IMO, that played a small part on why Randle wanted to leave. He felt disrespected. I am hoping that Luke isn't about to do the same thing this season. It's my biggest gripe about Luke. Enough with KCP and Rondo starting. Bring them off the bench and give the majority of the minutes to Ball and Hart.
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Post by history2b on Oct 19, 2018 10:28:14 GMT -8
After sleeping on it and re-watching the highlights, I saw a lot of good things from this team that encourage me. In the first quarter to start the game, the Lakers were playing excellent defense, and most of it was because of McGee. He was doing a good job of using his length to alter shots and clog up passing lanes in the paint. He got his hands on a few passes as well. We jumped out to a 10 pt early lead....and then Luke pulled McGee too early and played Kuzma at the 5. Dumb move, IMO. Immediately the Lakers lost their lead and most of it was second chance points and lack of perimeter defense. I love Kuzma but he is not able to handle the 5 duties, especially against teams with legitimate centers. In this game, when McGee was in, we played good defense and ran the court very well. When he wasn't in there, we fell apart and got shredded on the boards. Against smaller teams, we can run the death lineup and do great...but McGee needs to play a larger role against teams with bigger centers. Why Luke can't see this is beyond me. Secondly, Hart not starting over KCP is a damn shame. He put in the work and he earned that spot. He played fantastic defense last night and hit some big shots and was taking the ball to the basket with reckless abandon. KCP was a piece of shit yet again, but somehow he gets to start and play heavy minutes? Third, Ball needs to start. Ball fits in better with that first team and can stretch the floor for LeBron with his three point shooting. Rondo is not a very good three point shooter and teams just sag off of him and clog the paint. Ball also is the superior defender and rebounder. Rondo would serve us better running that second unit with Kuzma. Even though we shot like shit from downtown, turned the ball over excessively, and got killed on the offensive glass we still had a real shot to win that game last night, despite Luke's stupid rotations. I didn't expect a win in Portland right off the bat, but I wish Luke would put us in a better position to win games. Part of the reason we lost so many close games last year was because of youth, but part of it was also because of Luke's lineups. It wasn't until the second half of last season that we started to win those close games and it's no secret that it coincided with Luke settling in on a consistent rotation that made sense. Preseason is supposed to be when you tinker with lineups and figure out what works best and with whom. He tinkered for the first two months last year and even had Randle coming off the bench (travesty). IMO, that played a small part on why Randle wanted to leave. He felt disrespected. I am hoping that Luke isn't about to do the same thing this season. It's my biggest gripe about Luke. Enough with KCP and Rondo starting. Bring them off the bench and give the majority of the minutes to Ball and Hart. There were a lot of good take aways from last night’s game, agreed. And while I too am concerned with Luke’s inevitable head scratching rotations, as far as Zo is concerned it’s still just a matter of health. He looked ok last night in spurts but I saw him dragging that knee a couple of times including when he tried to explode to the rim. I think a couple more weeks of grinding and conditioning and he’s there. But KCP / Hart I think will be the new Brook / Julius thorn in my side all season. I’d hate to root for an injury on anyone but I almost feel like it’s the only way Luke would make the adjustment permanently. I don’t agree with Charles Barkley about our team in many regards but he made an excellent point last night about just playing our young guys and figuring out who fits and who doesn’t. The way Luke plays units we rarely get to see that. I thought McGee had a solid game last night for sure but his limitations were on display in the 2nd half when the Blazers began to move the ball from side to side leaving Javale at times to think about where to move and cover a lot of ground in the process. Not his strong suit. Once we swapped Kuz for him we produced stops and steal on 3 of the next 4 possessions that were turned into fast break points. Kuzma at the 5 has it’s obvious weaknesses but it also has its major strengths when the team is properly filled out. Rebounding is the number 1 concern imo and that’s why he SHOULD be playing with Lebron Ingram and Zo when he does it. You need the length and team rebounding. Those lineups with 4 guards and Kuz at the 5 was abysmal as it should have been expected to be imo. If it were up to me he’d be starting at the 3 with BI at the 2 and Bron at the 4 but I’m not sure we’ll ever see that.
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Post by laker8la on Oct 19, 2018 11:00:04 GMT -8
After sleeping on it and re-watching the highlights, I saw a lot of good things from this team that encourage me. In the first quarter to start the game, the Lakers were playing excellent defense, and most of it was because of McGee. He was doing a good job of using his length to alter shots and clog up passing lanes in the paint. He got his hands on a few passes as well. We jumped out to a 10 pt early lead....and then Luke pulled McGee too early and played Kuzma at the 5. Dumb move, IMO. Immediately the Lakers lost their lead and most of it was second chance points and lack of perimeter defense. I love Kuzma but he is not able to handle the 5 duties, especially against teams with legitimate centers. In this game, when McGee was in, we played good defense and ran the court very well. When he wasn't in there, we fell apart and got shredded on the boards. Against smaller teams, we can run the death lineup and do great...but McGee needs to play a larger role against teams with bigger centers. Why Luke can't see this is beyond me. Secondly, Hart not starting over KCP is a damn shame. He put in the work and he earned that spot. He played fantastic defense last night and hit some big shots and was taking the ball to the basket with reckless abandon. KCP was a piece of shit yet again, but somehow he gets to start and play heavy minutes? Third, Ball needs to start. Ball fits in better with that first team and can stretch the floor for LeBron with his three point shooting. Rondo is not a very good three point shooter and teams just sag off of him and clog the paint. Ball also is the superior defender and rebounder. Rondo would serve us better running that second unit with Kuzma. Even though we shot like shit from downtown, turned the ball over excessively, and got killed on the offensive glass we still had a real shot to win that game last night, despite Luke's stupid rotations. I didn't expect a win in Portland right off the bat, but I wish Luke would put us in a better position to win games. Part of the reason we lost so many close games last year was because of youth, but part of it was also because of Luke's lineups. It wasn't until the second half of last season that we started to win those close games and it's no secret that it coincided with Luke settling in on a consistent rotation that made sense. Preseason is supposed to be when you tinker with lineups and figure out what works best and with whom. He tinkered for the first two months last year and even had Randle coming off the bench (travesty). IMO, that played a small part on why Randle wanted to leave. He felt disrespected. I am hoping that Luke isn't about to do the same thing this season. It's my biggest gripe about Luke. Enough with KCP and Rondo starting. Bring them off the bench and give the majority of the minutes to Ball and Hart. There were a lot of good take aways from last night’s game, agreed. And while I too am concerned with Luke’s inevitable head scratching rotations, as far as Zo is concerned it’s still just a matter of health. He looked ok last night in spurts but I saw him dragging that knee a couple of times including when he tried to explode to the rim. I think a couple more weeks of grinding and conditioning and he’s there. But KCP / Hart I think will be the new Brook / Julius thorn in my side all season. I’d hate to root for an injury on anyone but I almost feel like it’s the only way Luke would make the adjustment permanently. I don’t agree with Charles Barkley about our team in many regards but he made an excellent point last night about just playing our young guys and figuring out who fits and who doesn’t. The way Luke plays units we rarely get to see that. I thought McGee had a solid game last night for sure but his limitations were on display in the 2nd half when the Blazers began to move the ball from side to side leaving Javale at times to think about where to move and cover a lot of ground in the process. Not his strong suit. Once we swapped Kuz for him we produced stops and steal on 3 of the next 4 possessions that were turned into fast break points. Kuzma at the 5 has it’s obvious weaknesses but it also has its major strengths when the team is properly filled out. Rebounding is the number 1 concern imo and that’s why he SHOULD be playing with Lebron Ingram and Zo when he does it. You need the length and team rebounding. Those lineups with 4 guards and Kuz at the 5 was abysmal as it should have been expected to be imo. If it were up to me he’d be starting at the 3 with BI at the 2 and Bron at the 4 but I’m not sure we’ll ever see that. Totally agree. Kuzma can play the 5 ONLY when LeBron is in there at the 4 to help gobble up those boards. Josh Hart was a monster at both ends last night, KCP sucked ass, yet they played an equal amount of minutes. I think Lonzo played a decent game last night, especially defensively. He is still rusty for sure, but I prefer him starting for his confidence. He definitely lacked confidence last night and let's face it, Rondo is gone next year and Ball is gonna be here for years, so let's nurture the kid. Start him and bring Rondo off the bench.
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Post by history2b on Oct 19, 2018 11:10:45 GMT -8
There were a lot of good take aways from last night’s game, agreed. And while I too am concerned with Luke’s inevitable head scratching rotations, as far as Zo is concerned it’s still just a matter of health. He looked ok last night in spurts but I saw him dragging that knee a couple of times including when he tried to explode to the rim. I think a couple more weeks of grinding and conditioning and he’s there. But KCP / Hart I think will be the new Brook / Julius thorn in my side all season. I’d hate to root for an injury on anyone but I almost feel like it’s the only way Luke would make the adjustment permanently. I don’t agree with Charles Barkley about our team in many regards but he made an excellent point last night about just playing our young guys and figuring out who fits and who doesn’t. The way Luke plays units we rarely get to see that. I thought McGee had a solid game last night for sure but his limitations were on display in the 2nd half when the Blazers began to move the ball from side to side leaving Javale at times to think about where to move and cover a lot of ground in the process. Not his strong suit. Once we swapped Kuz for him we produced stops and steal on 3 of the next 4 possessions that were turned into fast break points. Kuzma at the 5 has it’s obvious weaknesses but it also has its major strengths when the team is properly filled out. Rebounding is the number 1 concern imo and that’s why he SHOULD be playing with Lebron Ingram and Zo when he does it. You need the length and team rebounding. Those lineups with 4 guards and Kuz at the 5 was abysmal as it should have been expected to be imo. If it were up to me he’d be starting at the 3 with BI at the 2 and Bron at the 4 but I’m not sure we’ll ever see that. Totally agree. Kuzma can play the 5 ONLY when LeBron is in there at the 4 to help gobble up those boards. Josh Hart was a monster at both ends last night, KCP sucked ass, yet they played an equal amount of minutes.  I think Lonzo played a decent game last night, especially defensively. He is still rusty for sure, but I prefer him starting for his confidence. He definitely lacked confidence last night and let's face it, Rondo is gone next year and Ball is gonna be here for years, so let's nurture the kid. Start him and bring Rondo off the bench. There’s no way Hart and KCP deserve equal minutes. Josh deserves to start but at the very least deserves to finish games. He should also be playing with Lebron to develop chemistry. This idea that Rondo McGee and KCP get to be Lebron’s guys is going sink this team if Luke plays that hand all season. And if he doesn’t make Zo the starter once he’s healthy it will be time to call for the head imo.
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Post by samadams10 on Oct 19, 2018 16:21:01 GMT -8
60???!! Lol. We still in the West. I’m hoping 4 or 5 seed at best. But the team will improve each game that’s what I hope for Yes, some fans think we’ll win 60. I'm not one of them. I'll be pleased with just entering playoffs.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Oct 19, 2018 16:46:16 GMT -8
Totally agree. Kuzma can play the 5 ONLY when LeBron is in there at the 4 to help gobble up those boards. Josh Hart was a monster at both ends last night, KCP sucked ass, yet they played an equal amount of minutes.  I think Lonzo played a decent game last night, especially defensively. He is still rusty for sure, but I prefer him starting for his confidence. He definitely lacked confidence last night and let's face it, Rondo is gone next year and Ball is gonna be here for years, so let's nurture the kid. Start him and bring Rondo off the bench. There’s no way Hart and KCP deserve equal minutes. Josh deserves to start but at the very least deserves to finish games. He should also be playing with Lebron to develop chemistry. This idea that Rondo McGee and KCP get to be Lebron’s guys is going sink this team if Luke plays that hand all season. And if he doesn’t make Zo the starter once he’s healthy it will be time to call for the head imo. Yup. Should never happen. Ever. Yet that trio is in Lebrons main lineup. We all begged for Deng to never play again after seeing him play game 1 last season. Luke acted fast on that one but I doubt he acts as fast here. Lonzo still getting himself right likely will remain the excuse to start Rondo for the next week or two. McGee will start until somebody takes it from him (hopefully Wagner after he gets healthy and some minutes under his belt) or until he gets hurt. KCP should not be starting and should not be playing heavy minutes/crunch time mins. I can temporarily accept the former but not the latter. I guess Hart will just need to continue to make it glaringly obvious
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