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Post by history2b on Jan 14, 2024 13:53:08 GMT -8
I think he’s keenly aware that his seat is now hot despite what he says but that’s only because fans and media are holding him accountable, not the FO.
The FO will let him fall flat on his face and waste another season in order to “prove” it just like they did in 2022.
And that leaves us watching another slow rot.
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Post by mikieh101 on Jan 15, 2024 1:04:42 GMT -8
What’s wrong is the article. My third grade son could’ve proofread that better. Come on man. Editor should be benched like D’Lo. Shouldn't be any problems if he's averaging 146 pts through 34 games like the article says 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 17, 2024 7:32:34 GMT -8
DLo got his minutes tonight and failed to capitalize yet again. Shots not falling, turnovers and overall looks not sharp. So even if he’s “right” about needing opportunities, how many do you give him before he’s wrong? Given the options, I would say continue giving him opportunities (at least until he is dealt). Benching a player doesn't exactly boost his trade value either. |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 17, 2024 7:37:53 GMT -8
JHS over Jaquez sure looks pretty fucking dumb when Ham will barely play JHS in garbage time This pick is so bad whomever is responsible for this pick should be fired. Rob Pelinka might be that guy or he may have trusted someone else’s opinion. Either way someone has to go because JHS doesn’t even look like a G League caliber player. He went for 20/7 in his first G league game. JHS was never going to make a quick impact. He's a lottery ticket for down the road. I didn't like the pick either, but he's still very young. Of course Jaquez looks better as a 4 year college player. |
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Post by history2b on Jan 17, 2024 10:46:37 GMT -8
This pick is so bad whomever is responsible for this pick should be fired. Rob Pelinka might be that guy or he may have trusted someone else’s opinion. Either way someone has to go because JHS doesn’t even look like a G League caliber player. He went for 20/7 in his first G league game. JHS was never going to make a quick impact. He's a lottery ticket for down the road. I didn't like the pick either, but he's still very young. Of course Jaquez looks better as a 4 year college player. Players down the road don’t mean shit on a team built on its last legs. Jaquez could help this team. JHS cannot. Waiting for him to blossom into a marginal role player in 2-3 years is counterproductive to the point trying to win basketball games. Also, I question the idea of players needing time to grow in this NBA. Young bucks are coming in and making an immediate impact all over the league. The guys who people say need more time have career arcs like Cam Reddish. That doesn’t bode well for JHS. |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 17, 2024 13:04:01 GMT -8
He went for 20/7 in his first G league game. JHS was never going to make a quick impact. He's a lottery ticket for down the road. I didn't like the pick either, but he's still very young. Of course Jaquez looks better as a 4 year college player. Players down the road don’t mean shit on a team built on its last legs. Jaquez could help this team. JHS cannot. Waiting for him to blossom into a marginal role player in 2-3 years is counterproductive to the point trying to win basketball games. Also, I question the idea of players needing time to grow in this NBA. Young bucks are coming in and making an immediate impact all over the league. The guys who people say need more time have career arcs like Cam Reddish. That doesn’t bode well for JHS. They handled Max much the same way last season |
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Post by history2b on Jan 17, 2024 16:56:33 GMT -8
Players down the road don’t mean shit on a team built on its last legs. Jaquez could help this team. JHS cannot. Waiting for him to blossom into a marginal role player in 2-3 years is counterproductive to the point trying to win basketball games. Also, I question the idea of players needing time to grow in this NBA. Young bucks are coming in and making an immediate impact all over the league. The guys who people say need more time have career arcs like Cam Reddish. That doesn’t bode well for JHS. They handled Max much the same way last season 1 year further means much closer to the edge, meaning it’s even that much more counterintuitive than before. Moreover Max can shoot, has solid defensive fundamental ability, both of which are missing from JHS. It was moronic pick because he can’t shoot. We traded away half our core to go all in on a non shooting PG. Same summer we let a top 5 on ball defender / elite shooter go to retain another ball dominant non shooter only to realize the utter stupidity of it shortly thereafter and trade that non shooter for an overpriced nearly washed defender who isn’t a great shooter. Time to call out the bullshit and stop making excuses for it based on past blunders. |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 22, 2024 10:03:10 GMT -8
They handled Max much the same way last season 1 year further means much closer to the edge, meaning it’s even that much more counterintuitive than before. Moreover Max can shoot, has solid defensive fundamental ability, both of which are missing from JHS. It was moronic pick because he can’t shoot. We traded away half our core to go all in on a non shooting PG. Same summer we let a top 5 on ball defender / elite shooter go to retain another ball dominant non shooter only to realize the utter stupidity of it shortly thereafter and trade that non shooter for an overpriced nearly washed defender who isn’t a great shooter. Time to call out the bullshit and stop making excuses for it based on past blunders. I'm not making excuses, just adding context. Of all the PG options (Wallace, Bufkin), I rarely considered JHS. I was hoping for Hawkins or especially Whitmore when he was free-falling. The rumors for Jacquez were out there, but I don't know if that had depth beyond him playing at UCLA. Elite shooter may be a bit strong re: Caruso. He's been up and down (almost in alternating years) from 3. |
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Post by history2b on Jan 22, 2024 16:36:51 GMT -8
1 year further means much closer to the edge, meaning it’s even that much more counterintuitive than before. Moreover Max can shoot, has solid defensive fundamental ability, both of which are missing from JHS. It was moronic pick because he can’t shoot. We traded away half our core to go all in on a non shooting PG. Same summer we let a top 5 on ball defender / elite shooter go to retain another ball dominant non shooter only to realize the utter stupidity of it shortly thereafter and trade that non shooter for an overpriced nearly washed defender who isn’t a great shooter. Time to call out the bullshit and stop making excuses for it based on past blunders. I'm not making excuses, just adding context. Of all the PG options (Wallace, Bufkin), I rarely considered JHS. I was hoping for Hawkins or especially Whitmore when he was free-falling. The rumors for Jacquez were out there, but I don't know if that had depth beyond him playing at UCLA. Elite shooter may be a bit strong re: Caruso. He's been up and down (almost in alternating years) from 3. What you call context I call rationalization for flawed thinking. Everyone under the sun knows the league is a shooters league now. Why draft a player who can’t shoot with the best pick we’ve had in years? To watch a project grow in the G league while the team built for now struggles with needing help exactly at his position. Jaquez and Whitmore are just 2 examples but both are wings. The Golden State Warriors did their homework and got the kid who was ready to contribute right now, is a 3 level scorer, high iq, high motor role player. When your opponents prove your own scout work to be wrong, there is no context needed. It’s a failure, period. |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 24, 2024 9:24:53 GMT -8
I'm not making excuses, just adding context. Of all the PG options (Wallace, Bufkin), I rarely considered JHS. I was hoping for Hawkins or especially Whitmore when he was free-falling. The rumors for Jacquez were out there, but I don't know if that had depth beyond him playing at UCLA. Elite shooter may be a bit strong re: Caruso. He's been up and down (almost in alternating years) from 3. What you call context I call rationalization for flawed thinking. Everyone under the sun knows the league is a shooters league now. Why draft a player who can’t shoot with the best pick we’ve had in years? To watch a project grow in the G league while the team built for now struggles with needing help exactly at his position. Jaquez and Whitmore are just 2 examples but both are wings. The Golden State Warriors did their homework and got the kid who was ready to contribute right now, is a 3 level scorer, high iq, high motor role player. When your opponents prove your own scout work to be wrong, there is no context needed. It’s a failure, period. Sure. The missing piece is Vincent, who was supposed to be in place as JHS learned. Failure on both fronts. |
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Post by history2b on Jan 24, 2024 10:55:04 GMT -8
What you call context I call rationalization for flawed thinking. Everyone under the sun knows the league is a shooters league now. Why draft a player who can’t shoot with the best pick we’ve had in years? To watch a project grow in the G league while the team built for now struggles with needing help exactly at his position. Jaquez and Whitmore are just 2 examples but both are wings. The Golden State Warriors did their homework and got the kid who was ready to contribute right now, is a 3 level scorer, high iq, high motor role player. When your opponents prove your own scout work to be wrong, there is no context needed. It’s a failure, period. Sure. The missing piece is Vincent, who was supposed to be in place as JHS learned. Failure on both fronts. Vincent is a massive failure and Schroder should have been retained in hindsight. Gabe had a great playoffs but never shot like that in any season before so it was a bad selection based on the shooting and playmaking we need. Dennis is an adequate shooter but above average playmaker. Gabe is below average at both for the position. I like his man to man defense on small guards but if he doesn’t get that shot in line it’s a net negative even if he were healthy. And Ham was favoring him in those 5 games because of his defense. |
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Jan 24, 2024 11:16:46 GMT -8
Sure. The missing piece is Vincent, who was supposed to be in place as JHS learned. Failure on both fronts. Vincent is a massive failure and Schroder should have been retained in hindsight. Gabe had a great playoffs but never shot like that in any season before so it was a bad selection based on the shooting and playmaking we need. Dennis is an adequate shooter but above average playmaker. Gabe is below average at both for the position. I like his man to man defense on small guards but if he doesn’t get that shot in line it’s a net negative even if he were healthy. And Ham was favoring him in those 5 games because of his defense. yeah in hindsight, but at the time I really did not like that signing. Lakers should've used it on Schroder and also brought Lonnie Walker back. |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 25, 2024 13:02:07 GMT -8
Vincent is a massive failure and Schroder should have been retained in hindsight. Gabe had a great playoffs but never shot like that in any season before so it was a bad selection based on the shooting and playmaking we need. Dennis is an adequate shooter but above average playmaker. Gabe is below average at both for the position. I like his man to man defense on small guards but if he doesn’t get that shot in line it’s a net negative even if he were healthy. And Ham was favoring him in those 5 games because of his defense. yeah in hindsight, but at the time I really did not like that signing. Lakers should've used it on Schroder and also brought Lonnie Walker back. I wanted Jevon Carter, who ended up with the Bulls on a cheaper contract. I wonder if the Jazz would move Kris Dunn. Would be a nice piece to have defensively. |
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Post by history2b on Jan 25, 2024 13:03:44 GMT -8
yeah in hindsight, but at the time I really did not like that signing. Lakers should've used it on Schroder and also brought Lonnie Walker back. I wanted Jevon Carter, who ended up with the Bulls on a cheaper contract. I wonder if the Jazz would move Kris Dunn. Would be a nice piece to have defensively. Fuck no. |
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 25, 2024 13:05:14 GMT -8
I wanted Jevon Carter, who ended up with the Bulls on a cheaper contract. I wonder if the Jazz would move Kris Dunn. Would be a nice piece to have defensively. Fuck no. To which? |
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Post by history2b on Jan 25, 2024 16:14:45 GMT -8
To Kris Dunn.
No journeyman bum is going to come here and make a difference except in the negative way. I remember his on ball defense used to be really good, I doubt it’s held up as he’s aged but more importantly role players with 1 skill don’t cut it in the NBA anymore. It simply isn’t the game it used to be. Now you need to be extremely well rounded in all aspects of the game. Your defense can be all world at 6’2” but you’re going to get switching onto guys 6’6” 6’9” and even 7’ on the regular; how you rate sliding up and down matters a ton. How you rebound in the modern game matters a lot even for guards. How you see the floor and playmake matters and if you can’t shoot, you won’t be able to playmake because defenses with simply sag and take away your pass. He’s never had a consistent outside shot and anyone who is remotely in that category isn’t needed on our team.
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Post by history2b on Jan 25, 2024 16:18:02 GMT -8
Vincent is a massive failure and Schroder should have been retained in hindsight. Gabe had a great playoffs but never shot like that in any season before so it was a bad selection based on the shooting and playmaking we need. Dennis is an adequate shooter but above average playmaker. Gabe is below average at both for the position. I like his man to man defense on small guards but if he doesn’t get that shot in line it’s a net negative even if he were healthy. And Ham was favoring him in those 5 games because of his defense. yeah in hindsight, but at the time I really did not like that signing. Lakers should've used it on Schroder and also brought Lonnie Walker back. I remember. You were very likely right but I also understand the FO’s hesitation to go all in on the team that fell short. Schroder doesn’t get us past Denver but Alex Caruso could imo. Not to beat a dead horse that I’ve pummeled for 2.5 years but when I lost my mind and steamed about it I said something along the lines of “we will miss having a lockdown perimeter defender who can switch on anyone, doesn’t pound the rock incessantly and can make plays. 2.5 years later that’s STILL the player we are missing. That’s why I thought Jeanie should step down and Rob retire. |
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Post by shopson67 on Feb 7, 2024 5:44:29 GMT -8
Vincent is a massive failure and Schroder should have been retained in hindsight. Gabe had a great playoffs but never shot like that in any season before so it was a bad selection based on the shooting and playmaking we need. Dennis is an adequate shooter but above average playmaker. Gabe is below average at both for the position. I like his man to man defense on small guards but if he doesn’t get that shot in line it’s a net negative even if he were healthy. And Ham was favoring him in those 5 games because of his defense. yeah in hindsight, but at the time I really did not like that signing. Lakers should've used it on Schroder and also brought Lonnie Walker back. Schroder got more money than Vincent and left for starter's minutes in Toronto. That wasn't likely going to happen in LA, and seems to be fading for him in Toronto too (he could be an option at the deadline). |
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Post by history2b on Feb 7, 2024 11:07:38 GMT -8
yeah in hindsight, but at the time I really did not like that signing. Lakers should've used it on Schroder and also brought Lonnie Walker back. Schroder got more money than Vincent and left for starter's minutes in Toronto. That wasn't likely going to happen in LA, and seems to be fading for him in Toronto too (he could be an option at the deadline). He didn’t sign with Toronto until after we signed Vincent. He was definitely waiting to see if we’d give him a multi year deal but we opted for Gabe and even got cheap with him, shaving a bit off the top of the MLE deal to save Jeanie some precious tax profits. |
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Post by shopson67 on Feb 12, 2024 11:02:21 GMT -8
Schroder got more money than Vincent and left for starter's minutes in Toronto. That wasn't likely going to happen in LA, and seems to be fading for him in Toronto too (he could be an option at the deadline). He didn’t sign with Toronto until after we signed Vincent. He was definitely waiting to see if we’d give him a multi year deal but we opted for Gabe and even got cheap with him, shaving a bit off the top of the MLE deal to save Jeanie some precious tax profits. Both were announced on June 30th. Those savings ended up going to Dinwiddie. |
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