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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 11, 2014 20:47:22 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm not impressed
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 11, 2014 20:50:44 GMT -8
We get it, you don't like Luck. He was definitely forcing the issue, but that first one today was a killer. The second one should've been caught, but after that the Colts were down and he started forcing the ball, which almost never works out. He did only have 9 picks in the regular season, so he was definitely trying to do too much in these elevated playoff games.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 11, 2014 20:59:05 GMT -8
That's the point. A horrible playoff QB. Was horrific last year.
Priority 1 in the playoffs is take care of the ball. Luck consistently blows it
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Post by kb24 on Jan 12, 2014 5:20:55 GMT -8
The guy's been in the league two years. Give him some time. He's still growing.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 12, 2014 10:20:16 GMT -8
I don't think he's lived up to the hype. Under 50% yet again
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 14, 2014 7:02:22 GMT -8
He's just putting too much of it on his own shoulders. He'll grow out of it.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 14, 2014 10:08:08 GMT -8
Richardson trade was a bust. Still needs a RB and has no #1 pick this year. I think the colts are set up for a decline
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 14, 2014 13:34:42 GMT -8
Richardson trade was a bust. Still needs a RB and has no #1 pick this year. I think the colts are set up for a decline I believe Richardson will be fine for next season. He learned the offense, but didn't know all the check-downs and adjustments, so that limited his play. I think a fresh start including an offseason with the team will get him back to where he should be.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 14, 2014 17:07:33 GMT -8
Richardson trade was a bust. Still needs a RB and has no #1 pick this year. I think the colts are set up for a decline I believe Richardson will be fine for next season. He learned the offense, but didn't know all the check-downs and adjustments, so that limited his play. I think a fresh start including an offseason with the team will get him back to where he should be. Wasn't any better in Cleveland. I think a guy just based on talent can step into any offense and get more than 3ypc
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Post by kb24 on Jan 15, 2014 11:29:19 GMT -8
I'm no fan of drafting running backs in the first round, with the exception of a guy like Peterson. I'm less of a fan of trading a first rounder for a running back after that running back showed a whole lot of nothing with the prior team.
I really don't understand why teams continue to spend 1st rounders on running backs when perfectly good runners can be had in the middle to late rounders. Get a great o-line, and hell, it won't even matter who your back is, he'll get yards.
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 16, 2014 9:19:03 GMT -8
I'm no fan of drafting running backs in the first round, with the exception of a guy like Peterson. I'm less of a fan of trading a first rounder for a running back after that running back showed a whole lot of nothing with the prior team. I really don't understand why teams continue to spend 1st rounders on running backs when perfectly good runners can be had in the middle to late rounders. Get a great o-line, and hell, it won't even matter who your back is, he'll get yards. It's a carry-over from the years of the everydown back. Most teams employ a RB by committee offense these days, so no need to overspend on a RB. There wasn't a first round RB last year, and there probably won't be this year either. Of course, it all depends on the prospects available as well, and the changes in the college game as well as the pro game have de-emphasized the running game.
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Post by kb24 on Jan 16, 2014 16:34:18 GMT -8
I'm no fan of drafting running backs in the first round, with the exception of a guy like Peterson. I'm less of a fan of trading a first rounder for a running back after that running back showed a whole lot of nothing with the prior team. I really don't understand why teams continue to spend 1st rounders on running backs when perfectly good runners can be had in the middle to late rounders. Get a great o-line, and hell, it won't even matter who your back is, he'll get yards. It's a carry-over from the years of the everydown back. Most teams employ a RB by committee offense these days, so no need to overspend on a RB. There wasn't a first round RB last year, and there probably won't be this year either. Of course, it all depends on the prospects available as well, and the changes in the college game as well as the pro game have de-emphasized the running game. Yeah, that's true. There really aren't that many teams that have every down backs. It makes sense though. Grab 2-3 solid guys with particular strengths(power runners for goal line/short yardage situations, fast shifty guys) in the middle-to-late rounds and a team should be set, as long as the O-line can get a push. Much better to spend 1st rounders on QBs, O-line/D-line, receivers, secondary(particularly corners). Is it just me or do linebackers seem to be getting pushed out of the 1st round overall, too?
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 17, 2014 9:07:45 GMT -8
It's a carry-over from the years of the everydown back. Most teams employ a RB by committee offense these days, so no need to overspend on a RB. There wasn't a first round RB last year, and there probably won't be this year either. Of course, it all depends on the prospects available as well, and the changes in the college game as well as the pro game have de-emphasized the running game. Yeah, that's true. There really aren't that many teams that have every down backs. It makes sense though. Grab 2-3 solid guys with particular strengths(power runners for goal line/short yardage situations, fast shifty guys) in the middle-to-late rounds and a team should be set, as long as the O-line can get a push. Much better to spend 1st rounders on QBs, O-line/D-line, receivers, secondary(particularly corners). Is it just me or do linebackers seem to be getting pushed out of the 1st round overall, too? That makes sense too, as more and more nickel (1 LB replaced by a DB) is played due to the elevated passing games. Plus, the elite TEs in the league almost require a safety to cover them instead of a LB.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 17, 2014 20:46:29 GMT -8
I love when teams reach for QBs in the first round. Lets the good players drop to the better teams. Teams reach for QB way too soon. If you don't have a super early pick how many of the QBs in the first round outside of top 5 make it?
The lower round QBs seem to do better.
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 20, 2014 7:27:57 GMT -8
[quote author=" TruthTella2" source="/post/17897/thread" timestamp="1390020389"}The lower round QBs seem to do better. [/quote] History has not proven you right on that one. Guys like Russell Wilson and Tom Brady are the exceptions, not the rule. Part of that is because teams take QBs too early, but the reason those teams are at the top of the draft is often because of poor QB play.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 20, 2014 7:51:53 GMT -8
[quote author=" TruthTella2" source="/post/17897/thread" timestamp="1390020389"}The lower round QBs seem to do better. History has not proven you right on that one. Guys like Russell Wilson and Tom Brady are the exceptions, not the rule. Part of that is because teams take QBs too early, but the reason those teams are at the top of the draft is often because of poor QB play.[/quote] Not even referencing Brady. I'm talking about last couple years. Like the reaches on Locker, Gabbert, Ponder while same draft found Dalton, Kap in lesser rounds. Tannehill/Weeden 1st round Russell Wilson 3rd round. If you don't have the can't miss prospect at the top of the draft majority seem to be better off waiting on a QB instead of wasting a first round pick. A lot of those guys are huge reaches while best drafting teams usually take best available player with maybe a tie breaker or if it's close based on position. If you don't have a franchise QB available take a chance later. Teams might need a QB in those other draft slots, but those teams also have numerous other needs. Who are some of these later 1st round picks who work out? Not seeing them, so I consider that wasting a 1st rounder
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 20, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -8
[quote author=" TruthTella2" source="/post/17897/thread" timestamp="1390020389"}The lower round QBs seem to do better. History has not proven you right on that one. Guys like Russell Wilson and Tom Brady are the exceptions, not the rule. Part of that is because teams take QBs too early, but the reason those teams are at the top of the draft is often because of poor QB play. Not even referencing Brady. I'm talking about last couple years. Like the reaches on Locker, Gabbert, Ponder while same draft found Dalton, Kap in lesser rounds. Tannehill/Weeden 1st round Russell Wilson 3rd round. If you don't have the can't miss prospect at the top of the draft majority seem to be better off waiting on a QB instead of wasting a first round pick. A lot of those guys are huge reaches while best drafting teams usually take best available player with maybe a tie breaker or if it's close based on position. If you don't have a franchise QB available take a chance later. Teams might need a QB in those other draft slots, but those teams also have numerous other needs. Who are some of these later 1st round picks who work out? Not seeing them, so I consider that wasting a 1st rounder [/quote] Some teams can't help themselves. Guys like Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, and Weeden never should've been 1st round picks, and didn't even have the college production to suggest they would be. Those were all TERRIBLE picks, regardless of position. Kaepernick is a bit of a different situation, as he needed time to figure out the NFL game, which pushed him to the second round (but not by much really, 36th overall). The 49ers were able to let him sit behind Alex Smith; if he had been forced to start right away, he likely would've flaked out as well. Wilson only lasted as long as he did due to his stature. Dalton was a near-miss for the first round as well at #35 overall.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 20, 2014 9:30:51 GMT -8
History has not proven you right on that one. Guys like Russell Wilson and Tom Brady are the exceptions, not the rule. Part of that is because teams take QBs too early, but the reason those teams are at the top of the draft is often because of poor QB play. Not even referencing Brady. I'm talking about last couple years. Like the reaches on Locker, Gabbert, Ponder while same draft found Dalton, Kap in lesser rounds. Tannehill/Weeden 1st round Russell Wilson 3rd round. If you don't have the can't miss prospect at the top of the draft majority seem to be better off waiting on a QB instead of wasting a first round pick. A lot of those guys are huge reaches while best drafting teams usually take best available player with maybe a tie breaker or if it's close based on position. If you don't have a franchise QB available take a chance later. Teams might need a QB in those other draft slots, but those teams also have numerous other needs. Who are some of these later 1st round picks who work out? Not seeing them, so I consider that wasting a 1st rounder Some teams can't help themselves. Guys like Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, and Weeden never should've been 1st round picks, and didn't even have the college production to suggest they would be. Those were all TERRIBLE picks, regardless of position. Kaepernick is a bit of a different situation, as he needed time to figure out the NFL game, which pushed him to the second round (but not by much really, 36th overall). The 49ers were able to let him sit behind Alex Smith; if he had been forced to start right away, he likely would've flaked out as well. Wilson only lasted as long as he did due to his stature. Dalton was a near-miss for the first round as well at #35 overall.[/quote] Near miss doesn't matter. 1st round so much more valuable than 2nd round. Also beginning of 2nd means a team didn't have to waste an early pick on a QB in most cases so that additional player addition is a factor as well as contract situation of lower pick. You get QBs ranked outside of top 50 overall get picked so early just because of position. I don't really think these teams think those guys are the answer. If you don't see that player as the future "MAN" fill another position with a better player If you're going to take a chance on the QBs who aren't considered slamdunks there really isn't much of a difference between the next tier so taking your shot in a lower round leaves your franchise in a better situation. Drafting those QBs is what is holding a lot of franchises back. Only 32 starting QBs, maybe 20 legit franchise guys, and teams draft numerous QBS every year. Means a lot of wasted picks. I don't think the track record on mid to late 1st rounders is that good. Rather try the "project" QBs later on and maximize your picks. Especially who was it the Browns who wasted a 1st rounder on a near 30 year old (at the time) QB who if he did ever develop would only have a couple years left anyway?
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Post by shopson67 on Jan 20, 2014 9:44:38 GMT -8
It all depends on the player. There typically aren't many late 1st round QBs taken, mostly because the teams drafting in the late 1st are playoff teams that most likely already have their starting QB locked up. Notable exceptions were Tebow and Rodgers, at opposite ends of the spectrum. Other than those two (and old Weeden and Brady Quinn; the Browns have some issues picking QBs lol), the latest QBs are typically drafted in the 1st are in the 15 range: Flacco (18th), Freeman (17th), Cutler (11th), etc. There's probably a few others I missed, but you get the idea.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Jan 20, 2014 10:02:39 GMT -8
It all depends on the player. There typically aren't many late 1st round QBs taken, mostly because the teams drafting in the late 1st are playoff teams that most likely already have their starting QB locked up. Notable exceptions were Tebow and Rodgers, at opposite ends of the spectrum. Other than those two (and old Weeden and Brady Quinn; the Browns have some issues picking QBs lol), the latest QBs are typically drafted in the 1st are in the 15 range: Flacco (18th), Freeman (17th), Cutler (11th), etc. There's probably a few others I missed, but you get the idea. Not really recent history though. Mainly going on past few years since all the rule changes NFL is changing. But some mid round picks are considered NFL ready just in a deep class. Those you understand. The reaches though? Franchise set backs
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