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Post by history2b on Dec 23, 2019 21:02:23 GMT -8
No I didn’t say I’m against that I said I’m against casino Capitalism because that’s the age we’re living in right now. Post 2008 crash prices don’t exist right now. Everything you just described is still dependent on the dollar being the worlds reserve currency. And I would take no pride in being a Robber Barron like what plagued the US in the late 19th century. Define Kleptocracy. Home values have doubled since 2008 creating vast amounts of equity. And it has created vast and steady amounts of monthly income passively. We're on different paths! I'm focused on using the " Kleptocracy" system to generate wealth which is why we vote differently. You do you! They sure have. And they’ve done that before. And then the bubble bursts and then all that illusionary wealth disappears. You may be able to cash out before it happens and consider yourself lucky but rich on paper isn’t rich, especially so after the inevitable crash that’s coming. Moreover, there is a greater concern as a member of society, someone who believes in the Constitutions promise of egalitarian society. Casino capitalism produces the opposite of that. And it should concern every rational citizen. If one were to own a ton of property but if the working populace is too poor to afford it guess who’s also poor? The working class has to thrive or it’s all for nil. Dreaming of joining the 1% is not a pragmatic social/ economic plan. And if the dollar does indeed falter, everyone is fucked. Except Kleptocrats.
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Post by lakeshow on Dec 24, 2019 8:46:18 GMT -8
Home values have doubled since 2008 creating vast amounts of equity. And it has created vast and steady amounts of monthly income passively. We're on different paths! I'm focused on using the " Kleptocracy" system to generate wealth which is why we vote differently. You do you! They sure have. And they’ve done that before. And then the bubble bursts and then all that illusionary wealth disappears. You may be able to cash out before it happens and consider yourself lucky but rich on paper isn’t rich, especially so after the inevitable crash that’s coming. Moreover, there is a greater concern as a member of society, someone who believes in the Constitutions promise of egalitarian society. Casino capitalism produces the opposite of that. And it should concern every rational citizen. If one were to own a ton of property but if the working populace is too poor to afford it guess who’s also poor? The working class has to thrive or it’s all for nil. Dreaming of joining the 1% is not a pragmatic social/ economic plan. And if the dollar does indeed falter, everyone is fucked. Except Kleptocrats. Yes In addition, nobody seems to care about the continuing increasing debt this country is in. What is it now? Somewhere over 20 trillion dollars.....as far as I’m concerned this “great economy” Trump hacks keep talking about is an illusion because until there is a plan to tackle that, the economy will always be on shaky ground to crumble at any moment. Soon we will be another Greece. Greedy people and that includes the government are always short sided because the short term gains veils them from seeing long-term disaster. The truth be damned and whoever has to pick up the pieces when it eventually crumbles be damned.
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Post by hackashaq on Dec 24, 2019 9:49:54 GMT -8
This is always the case. The Rupbtards claim economic growth and fun times, but it is always on borrowed time and borrowed money. The tax breaks Trump and the Repubtards was straight up a redistribution of wealth to the rich and corporation with not requirement to turn over some of that to the greater good. We are literally borrowing trillions of dollars and giving it to the rich/corporation.
Then a Democratic president decides to do the right thing and ease the trough and then they are blamed with austerity and hurting the economy.
Clinton turned a deficit into a surplus which George W turned into a deficit again with his Medicare Part B program and the Iraq invasion.
When will this cycle break.
For what it’s worth, it’s not Trump that we need to get rid of. It’s Mitch McConnell. He is the constant behind this. I hope he gets his comeuppance like Newt Gingrich.
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Post by samadams10 on Dec 24, 2019 13:04:35 GMT -8
They sure have. And they’ve done that before. And then the bubble bursts and then all that illusionary wealth disappears. You may be able to cash out before it happens and consider yourself lucky but rich on paper isn’t rich, especially so after the inevitable crash that’s coming. Moreover, there is a greater concern as a member of society, someone who believes in the Constitutions promise of egalitarian society. Casino capitalism produces the opposite of that. And it should concern every rational citizen. If one were to own a ton of property but if the working populace is too poor to afford it guess who’s also poor? The working class has to thrive or it’s all for nil. Dreaming of joining the 1% is not a pragmatic social/ economic plan. And if the dollar does indeed falter, everyone is fucked. Except Kleptocrats. Yes In addition, nobody seems to care about the continuing increasing debt this country is in. What is it now? Somewhere over 20 trillion dollars.....as far as I’m concerned this “great economy” Trump hacks keep talking about is an illusion because until there is a plan to tackle that, the economy will always be on shaky ground to crumble at any moment. Soon we will be another Greece. Greedy people and that includes the government are always short sided because the short term gains veils them from seeing long-term disaster. The truth be damned and whoever has to pick up the pieces when it eventually crumbles be damned. Debt was a huge issue with Obama and a key violation of conservative principles. Team party was up in arms. When spending to recover from a recession it's bad. Now its all good to juice up an already decent economy and they're geniuses. Its exhausting.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Dec 24, 2019 15:39:38 GMT -8
Check out our debt to the 'Federal Reserve' since its latest creation in 1913. That's the biggest problem we have and will face as a nation imho.
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Post by lakeshow on Dec 24, 2019 17:21:26 GMT -8
Yes In addition, nobody seems to care about the continuing increasing debt this country is in. What is it now? Somewhere over 20 trillion dollars.....as far as I’m concerned this “great economy” Trump hacks keep talking about is an illusion because until there is a plan to tackle that, the economy will always be on shaky ground to crumble at any moment. Soon we will be another Greece. Greedy people and that includes the government are always short sided because the short term gains veils them from seeing long-term disaster. The truth be damned and whoever has to pick up the pieces when it eventually crumbles be damned. Debt was a huge issue with Obama and a key violation of conservative principles. Team party was up in arms. When spending to recover from a recession it's bad. Now its all good to juice up an already decent economy and they're geniuses. Its exhausting. The spending really started happening under Bush II. Under Clinton we had a surplus. But yes, spending increased under Obama, and the spending hasn’t stopped.
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Post by samadams10 on Dec 24, 2019 17:27:56 GMT -8
Debt was a huge issue with Obama and a key violation of conservative principles. Team party was up in arms. When spending to recover from a recession it's bad. Now its all good to juice up an already decent economy and they're geniuses. Its exhausting. The spending really started happening under Bush II. Under Clinton we had a surplus. But yes, spending increased under Obama, and the spending hasn’t stopped. Yes. Bush 2
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Post by history2b on Dec 25, 2019 8:26:17 GMT -8
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Post by shaolinfighter on Dec 25, 2019 10:21:13 GMT -8
Debt was a huge issue with Obama and a key violation of conservative principles. Team party was up in arms. When spending to recover from a recession it's bad. Now its all good to juice up an already decent economy and they're geniuses. Its exhausting. The spending really started happening under Bush II. Under Clinton we had a surplus. But yes, spending increased under Obama, and the spending hasn’t stopped. That's what wars will do. The daily cost is staggering
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Post by hackashaq on Dec 25, 2019 12:42:21 GMT -8
Agree H2. By far, military spending is number 1 in the US budget. The biggest percentage of GDP of any country (yes, even more than China and the Russia). And if you think all that money goes straight to weapons, you are solely mistaken (why do you think toilets cost $20,000....the skim has always been on). Something fundamentally must change, but how, I don’t know. $1 billion is a drop in the bucket for the military (less than the cost of 1 Ford class carrier....and counting since that ship is a pure mess right now and not battle capable yet). Imagine what $1.0 billion can do for homelessness, food stamps, infrastructure, etc. And the Repubtards blocked infrastructure bills for the 8 years Obama was president. Now Trump wants to cut food stamp eligibility. Criminal.
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Post by lakeshow on Dec 27, 2019 11:35:45 GMT -8
Don't even get me started about the military.
There are 3 things that I've taught my boys to not ever do: Football, Boxing, and the U.S. Military
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Post by history2b on Jan 3, 2020 9:58:09 GMT -8
Trump has now started an illegal war, possibly World War 3, by assassinating a foreign official on foreign soil without Congressional approval.
Where’s Jim Jones when you need him? Die Trump supporters, die.
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Post by lakeshow on Jan 3, 2020 10:34:58 GMT -8
Trump has now started an illegal war, possibly World War 3, by assassinating a foreign official on foreign soil without Congressional approval. Where’s Jim Jones when you need him? Die Trump supporters, die. And an additional 3000 US troops have just been sent over there. So much for all that talk about wanting to get the US out of wars. Iran is a different animal altogether too. Not good at all.
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Post by history2b on Jan 3, 2020 10:52:24 GMT -8
Trump has now started an illegal war, possibly World War 3, by assassinating a foreign official on foreign soil without Congressional approval. Where’s Jim Jones when you need him? Die Trump supporters, die. And an additional 3000 US troops have just been sent over there. So much for all that talk about wanting to get the US out of wars. Iran is a different animal altogether too. Not good at all. If it escalates to the level I think it can, the US Empire is no more. Every empire dies on its own sword in this way.
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Post by hackashaq on Jan 3, 2020 11:18:52 GMT -8
This is disturbing.
Are we going back to American hostages being held by Hezbollah. It's not like the past shouldn't be a lesson for the future.
Trump is trying to deflect from impeachment by literally starting a war, blowing up a nuclear deal with Iran, destroying the Intermediate Nuclear Weapons treaty with Russia (which is again what Putin desperately wants), and turning the US tax system in it's head, creating the biggest budget deficit ever.
You wouldn't believe this if it were a Bond movie.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jan 3, 2020 12:38:53 GMT -8
The U.S. has taken out Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, Baghdadi and now Soleimani. The U.S. has wanted to take him out for decades!
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Post by lakeshow on Jan 3, 2020 12:51:39 GMT -8
The U.S. has taken out Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, Baghdadi and now Soleimani. The U.S. has wanted to take him out for decades! Yeah and what did it create when Hussein was taken out? The narrative went from hunting and finding those “WMD’s” then when they couldn’t find them the narrative went to “Well we got Hussein!” That war created ISIS and Baghdadi.
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Post by history2b on Jan 3, 2020 13:00:47 GMT -8
The U.S. has taken out Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, Baghdadi and now Soleimani. The U.S. has wanted to take him out for decades! Why is Dumbfuck interjecting into matters above his IQ level again?
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jan 3, 2020 13:08:30 GMT -8
The U.S. has taken out Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, Baghdadi and now Soleimani. The U.S. has wanted to take him out for decades! Yeah and what did it create when Hussein was taken out? The narrative went from hunting and finding those “WMD’s” then when they couldn’t find them the narrative went to “Well we got Hussein!” That war created ISIS and Baghdadi. Yeah, taking out Saddam was a bad move. So was taking out Qaddafi.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jan 3, 2020 13:09:24 GMT -8
The U.S. has taken out Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, Baghdadi and now Soleimani. The U.S. has wanted to take him out for decades! Why is Dumbfuck interjecting into matters above his IQ level again? Man, go suck your wife's dick!
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