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Post by lakeshow on Nov 12, 2016 13:46:15 GMT -8
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Post by history2b on Nov 12, 2016 14:04:38 GMT -8
About the response I'd expect from Pop. Nail on the head though... The shocking part is the people who've glanced over pretty basic human ethics. I'm looking directly into the eyes of those people trying to figure wtf is wrong with them. As human beings straight up.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 12, 2016 14:16:35 GMT -8
About the response I'd expect from Pop. Nail on the head though... The shocking part is the people who've glanced over pretty basic human ethics. I'm looking directly into the eyes of those people trying to figure wtf is wrong with them. As human beings straight up. Believe me brother, you know I'm a high school teacher and last week was like a week I have never had before..... I saw everything from crying, laughter, and rage on campus...... And then had to facilitate all of this crap in the classroom trying to keep my own opinions in check on the matter at that.
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Post by history2b on Nov 12, 2016 14:53:48 GMT -8
About the response I'd expect from Pop. Nail on the head though... The shocking part is the people who've glanced over pretty basic human ethics. I'm looking directly into the eyes of those people trying to figure wtf is wrong with them. As human beings straight up. Believe me brother, you know I'm a high school teacher and last week was like a week I have never had before..... I saw everything from crying, laughter, and rage on campus...... And then had to facilitate all of this crap in the classroom trying to keep my own opinions in check on the matter at that. Damn brother I can only imagine. More power to you T
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Post by hackashaq on Nov 12, 2016 17:20:27 GMT -8
I respect Pop very much. Even more now.
Scary time. We need as many reasonable people as possible engaged.
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Post by LDG on Nov 12, 2016 17:38:31 GMT -8
I've gained a lot of respect for Pop over the years... and still continue to.
Personally, I was a bit disappointed in the results (although, I refused to vote for either of the two popular candidates myself, so I probably would have been disappointed either way), but I also don't want to cast a negative light on "all" of the people who voted for him (about 30% which were Latino, and 50% which were women, I believe). The majority of these people (Trump voters, I mean) were silent during his campaign because they were afraid of being labeled racists or xenophobic themselves... Ultimately, I think those quick-to-label and attack methods pushed them into the shadows, but also made them more likely to voice their opinions at the ballot box (compared to the other side, which was overly-confident and complacent at the end of the day).
That's just my assessment on how a guy like Donald could pick up so much momentum, seemingly out of nowhere, and why the outcome was so "shocking" to millions.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 12, 2016 18:39:01 GMT -8
I've gained a lot of respect for Pop over the years... and still continue to. Personally, I was a bit disappointed in the results (although, I refused to vote for either of the two popular candidates myself, so I probably would have been disappointed either way), but I also don't want to cast a negative light on "all" of the people who voted for him (about 30% which were Latino, and 50% which were women, I believe). The majority of these people (Trump voters, I mean) were silent during his campaign because they were afraid of being labeled racists or xenophobic themselves... Ultimately, I think those quick-to-label and attack methods pushed them into the shadows, but also made them more likely to voice their opinions at the ballot box (compared to the other side, which was overly-confident and complacent at the end of the day). That's just my assessment on how a guy like Donald could pick up so much momentum, seemingly out of nowhere, and why the outcome was so "shocking" to millions. I would agree with that assessment.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 12, 2016 22:28:12 GMT -8
I've gained a lot of respect for Pop over the years... and still continue to. Personally, I was a bit disappointed in the results (although, I refused to vote for either of the two popular candidates myself, so I probably would have been disappointed either way), but I also don't want to cast a negative light on "all" of the people who voted for him (about 30% which were Latino, and 50% which were women, I believe). The majority of these people (Trump voters, I mean) were silent during his campaign because they were afraid of being labeled racists or xenophobic themselves... Ultimately, I think those quick-to-label and attack methods pushed them into the shadows, but also made them more likely to voice their opinions at the ballot box (compared to the other side, which was overly-confident and complacent at the end of the day). That's just my assessment on how a guy like Donald could pick up so much momentum, seemingly out of nowhere, and why the outcome was so "shocking" to millions. I think you made some valid points LDG. I understand the frustration many people feel about Washington and both political parties. I also understand why many don't like Hillary as well. She is not my ideal candidate as well, but in comparison to the alternative it was still a clear choice to me who to vote for considering everything that man has said about many groups of people. And I understand that people feel that strongly against Hillary that they couldn't give her their vote as well. The fundamental difference to me is that one candidate made some political errors in carelessness and the other was willing to say whatever it took to get elected even if it meant scapegoating and trashing so many people to the point where he had white supremacists coming out the woodwork to support him. I'm not saying all his supporters are racists, but there's no doubt that his words brought out the scum of the earth to the polls as well. Since the election there have been instances of Muslims, Latinos, and African-Americans being harassed across this country. And people wonder why so many people are scared and angry and are protesting??? But should this surprise anybody? Nope. Same thing happened after Woodrow Wilson was elected and not only watched but publicly praised the movie, "Birth of a Nation" in the White House. Right after that, KKK activity rose dramatically in the South and blacks being lynched also increased. It's completely naive for anyone to think that dark ugly past can't happen again. Donald started this mess, he was elected, and now he's got to be part of the solution to end this fear mongering and to bring a sense of social stability. He may not be able to do it by himself, but it's on him to try since much of his words incited all these protests and riots--NOT the media as he loves to blame.
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Post by hackashaq on Nov 12, 2016 23:57:16 GMT -8
I've gained a lot of respect for Pop over the years... and still continue to. Personally, I was a bit disappointed in the results (although, I refused to vote for either of the two popular candidates myself, so I probably would have been disappointed either way), but I also don't want to cast a negative light on "all" of the people who voted for him (about 30% which were Latino, and 50% which were women, I believe). The majority of these people (Trump voters, I mean) were silent during his campaign because they were afraid of being labeled racists or xenophobic themselves... Ultimately, I think those quick-to-label and attack methods pushed them into the shadows, but also made them more likely to voice their opinions at the ballot box (compared to the other side, which was overly-confident and complacent at the end of the day). That's just my assessment on how a guy like Donald could pick up so much momentum, seemingly out of nowhere, and why the outcome was so "shocking" to millions. I think you made some valid points LDG. I understand the frustration many people feel about Washington and both political parties. I also understand why many don't like Hillary as well. She is not my ideal candidate as well, but in comparison to the alternative it was still a clear choice to me who to vote for considering everything that man has said about many groups of people. And I understand that people feel that strongly against Hillary that they couldn't give her their vote as well. The fundamental difference to me is that one candidate made some political errors in carelessness and the other was willing to say whatever it took to get elected even if it meant scapegoating and trashing so many people to the point where he had white supremacists coming out the woodwork to support him. I'm not saying all his supporters are racists, but there's no doubt that his words brought out the scum of the earth to the polls as well. Since the election there have been instances of Muslims, Latinos, and African-Americans being harassed across this country. And people wonder why so many people are scared and angry and are protesting??? But should this surprise anybody? Nope. Same thing happened after Woodrow Wilson was elected and not only watched but publicly praised the movie, "Birth of a Nation" in the White House. Right after that, KKK activity rose dramatically in the South and blacks being lynched also increased. It's completely naive for anyone to think that dark ugly past can't happen again. Donald started this mess, he was elected, and now he's got to be part of the solution to end this fear mongering and to bring a sense of social stability. He may not be able to do it by himself, but it's on him to try since much of his words incited all these protests and riots--NOT the media as he loves to blame. Alienating the majority of the national population and 47% of the electoral college is not a good recipe for good business....meaning his businesses. Something in me hopes he is going to realize this fact fairly quickly.
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 14, 2016 8:09:02 GMT -8
I've gained a lot of respect for Pop over the years... and still continue to. Personally, I was a bit disappointed in the results (although, I refused to vote for either of the two popular candidates myself, so I probably would have been disappointed either way), but I also don't want to cast a negative light on "all" of the people who voted for him (about 30% which were Latino, and 50% which were women, I believe). The majority of these people (Trump voters, I mean) were silent during his campaign because they were afraid of being labeled racists or xenophobic themselves... Ultimately, I think those quick-to-label and attack methods pushed them into the shadows, but also made them more likely to voice their opinions at the ballot box (compared to the other side, which was overly-confident and complacent at the end of the day). That's just my assessment on how a guy like Donald could pick up so much momentum, seemingly out of nowhere, and why the outcome was so "shocking" to millions. To be honest, people refusing to vote for either of the two popular candidates gave Trump the victory. Hillary lost the battleground states by fewer votes than the third party candidates received in each of those states.
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Post by LDG on Nov 14, 2016 12:58:00 GMT -8
I've gained a lot of respect for Pop over the years... and still continue to. Personally, I was a bit disappointed in the results (although, I refused to vote for either of the two popular candidates myself, so I probably would have been disappointed either way), but I also don't want to cast a negative light on "all" of the people who voted for him (about 30% which were Latino, and 50% which were women, I believe). The majority of these people (Trump voters, I mean) were silent during his campaign because they were afraid of being labeled racists or xenophobic themselves... Ultimately, I think those quick-to-label and attack methods pushed them into the shadows, but also made them more likely to voice their opinions at the ballot box (compared to the other side, which was overly-confident and complacent at the end of the day). That's just my assessment on how a guy like Donald could pick up so much momentum, seemingly out of nowhere, and why the outcome was so "shocking" to millions. To be honest, people refusing to vote for either of the two popular candidates gave Trump the victory. Hillary lost the battleground states by fewer votes than the third party candidates received in each of those states. Yeah, but that's the reality of any election... There will always be those who will support a 3rd party. If you can't rally your base and the "middle of the road" voters, then I can't say with all honesty that you deserved to win. There's also no telling which way those 3rd party votes could have gone... Could have been 50/50, which changes nothing. I do think Bernie Sanders would have defeated Trump though.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 14, 2016 13:59:32 GMT -8
Yeah it's impossible to say the 3rd party votes should or would have gone to Hillary or Trump. The election isn't given to candidate with most votes overall either. Gotta win enough states throughout the country.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 14, 2016 15:57:24 GMT -8
What do you guys think about the electoral college? Rest of the free world selects leaders through majority vote.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 14, 2016 16:12:21 GMT -8
Majority vote would/could give too much power to a giant populace of one or two states. We are the United States and there's more than two. Every state has a say
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 14, 2016 16:14:32 GMT -8
Read the 12th ammendment to the Constitution
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 14, 2016 16:33:46 GMT -8
I'd be okay with that. It's the United States after all.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 14, 2016 17:58:28 GMT -8
I'd be okay with that. It's the United States after all. Far fetched. Would need 30 states to come together on it. In other words not happening
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 14, 2016 19:43:44 GMT -8
I'd be okay with that. It's the United States after all. Far fetched. Would need 30 states to come together on it. In other words not happening Yes unfortunately.
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Post by hackashaq on Nov 14, 2016 20:17:21 GMT -8
Majority vote would/could give too much power to a giant populace of one or two states. We are the United States and there's more than two. Every state has a say Agree that smaller states should have a say, but the balance is horribly off. When there were the original colonies, you could argue roughly all the states had equal power. But America is not the original 13 colonies anymore. We are and always have been a nation of immigrants and US citizens now live mostly in urban areas where the common insterest of all people are shared. I do not feel a state like Mississippi should have a pivotal role in deciding the President who has to rule in the best interests of a majority of Ameircans. I am jusy saying that the number of electoral votes allocated to states like CA and NY are way too low considering they are the two most populous states in the Union.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 14, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -8
California has 55. That's a lot. New York has same as Florida
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