hackashaq
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Post by hackashaq on Nov 15, 2016 2:55:18 GMT -8
California has 55. That's a lot. New York has same as Florida Well CA and especially NY should have substantially more. CA has the largest economy and population by far, and NY is the financial capyyital of the world. FL is a retirememt state.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 15, 2016 8:59:04 GMT -8
The electoral college is a mess.
The framers put it into practice because they believed at the time that Americans were not smart enough to elect their own president even though they believed they were smart enough to elect their own local congressperson. We are the only nation in the world to have this stupid funky system. It discourages people to vote in national elections because it doesn't give people in non-swing states an incentive to go out and vote.
So the election comes down to a handful of states usually (Ohio, Florida, NC, Virginia.....). Small states that have an enormous amount of power to determine the presidency, not democratic to me.
That said, the electoral college is going nowhere anytime soon because there would be too much push back from the states that have an enormous amount of influence with national elections.
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Post by history2b on Nov 15, 2016 9:11:59 GMT -8
Get rid of it.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 15, 2016 10:36:50 GMT -8
The electoral college is a mess. The framers put it into practice because they believed at the time that Americans were not smart enough to elect their own president even though they believed they were smart enough to elect their own local congressperson. We are the only nation in the world to have this stupid funky system. It discourages people to vote in national elections because it doesn't give people in non-swing states an incentive to go out and vote. So the election comes down to a handful of states usually (Ohio, Florida, NC, Virginia.....). Small states that have an enormous amount of power to determine the presidency, not democratic to me. That said, the electoral college is going nowhere anytime soon because there would be too much push back from the states that have an enormous amount of influence with national elections. Man lakeshow T, can you be smarter? I see it's not just in basketball. Your school is very fortunate to have as a teacher. Props man.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 15, 2016 11:06:00 GMT -8
The electoral college is a mess. The framers put it into practice because they believed at the time that Americans were not smart enough to elect their own president even though they believed they were smart enough to elect their own local congressperson. We are the only nation in the world to have this stupid funky system. It discourages people to vote in national elections because it doesn't give people in non-swing states an incentive to go out and vote. So the election comes down to a handful of states usually (Ohio, Florida, NC, Virginia.....). Small states that have an enormous amount of power to determine the presidency, not democratic to me. That said, the electoral college is going nowhere anytime soon because there would be too much push back from the states that have an enormous amount of influence with national elections. Man lakeshow T, can you be smarter? I see it's not just in basketball. Your school is very fortunate to have as a teacher. Props man. Thank you Sam. I don't consider myself better are smarter than you guys though. Lot of intelligent people on this messageboard like yourself my friend. A lot of posters who know a huge deal about a lot of things other than basketball too. I do love to teach. It is my passion. I wish we all had the opportunity to meet each other one of these days though. That would be comedy!
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 15, 2016 17:47:29 GMT -8
Ironic though how Trump and his supporters were warned to respect the election process and accept the loss if (when) Trump lost the election.
Nobody has the power to just get rid of it. There is a process to take to get rid of a constitutional ammendment and it isn't remotely possible right now tbh. Terrence is right there
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Post by history2b on Nov 15, 2016 22:37:44 GMT -8
Ironic though how Trump and his supporters were warned to respect the election process and accept the loss if (when) Trump lost the election. Nobody has the power to just get rid of it. There is a process to take to get rid of a constitutional ammendment and it isn't remotely possible right now tbh. Terrence is right there That's because Trump himself opened his mouth directly, without room for interpretation, with no need to discuss or debate because he was very clear, calling into question the validity of the process. His campaign was run entirely on the premise of fanning the flames, encouraging vigilance, redirecting legitimate but clearly misplaced anger (at its very best). His fake news site published stories encouraging civil war if voter fraud took place, calling for "a bloodbath." This is now someone joining his chief of staff. That's why his supporters were rightfully warned. Under that premise I'd say this current protest is legitimized.
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Post by hackashaq on Nov 16, 2016 3:24:09 GMT -8
Trump is a hypocrite and dangerous. It's time to be scared.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 16, 2016 6:00:22 GMT -8
Trump is a hypocrite and dangerous. It's time to be scared. I thought both popular candidates were hard to trust. It's clear that half the country would be worried no matter the outcome. Crazy times but I'd accept either outcome. Just like if the Electoral vote was scrapped I'd accept it because there is a fair process by which to do it.
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 16, 2016 9:52:50 GMT -8
California has 55. That's a lot. New York has same as Florida They should be re-adjusted for population periodically at the very least. What is wrong with majority vote truthfully? If you're worried about left or right getting an advantage, I think it all averages out. Truthfully, it would result in a lot more people voting if they felt their vote actually counted towards something. How often has the popular vote winner not won the presidency? Only twice in my lifetime, this year and Gore/Bush (which was highly contested). Florida going one way by a small percentage of votes should not count the same as NY going one way by a much larger percentage. Many more people voted in Florida as a result, since the gap was within 150K votes instead of 1.5M votes.
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Post by history2b on Nov 16, 2016 11:17:39 GMT -8
Trump is a hypocrite and dangerous. It's time to be scared. I thought both popular candidates were hard to trust. It's clear that half the country would be worried no matter the outcome. Crazy times but I'd accept either outcome. Just like if the Electoral vote was scrapped I'd accept it because there is a fair process by which to do it. We can go tit for tat on propaganda of the election process or just focus on what is actually going on now in Trumps cabinet. One of the biggest problems with US politics is the every 4 years a portion of the population vote, at which time they know everything, then after an election they bury their head in the sand and they know nothing again. White House Strategist is a white supremacist who has a vision to turn America into a European descent only country eventually. It has been documented and professed. His head of EPA has denied human involvement in Climate Change. Paul Ryan is now talking about removing Medicare and social security. The number one thing I learned this fall was how many unbelievably naive and callously ignorant people in this country who will focus and be swayed on politically strategized propaganda over common sense. A sad and unsettling reality.
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Post by asweetcalamity on Nov 16, 2016 13:33:48 GMT -8
California has 55. That's a lot. New York has same as Florida They should be re-adjusted for population periodically at the very least. It is. Votes are correlated with Representatives and Senators. Senators always stay the same, but the Census changes the number of reps every 10 years.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 16, 2016 14:21:17 GMT -8
California has 55. That's a lot. New York has same as Florida They should be re-adjusted for population periodically at the very least. What is wrong with majority vote truthfully? If you're worried about left or right getting an advantage, I think it all averages out. Truthfully, it would result in a lot more people voting if they felt their vote actually counted towards something. How often has the popular vote winner not won the presidency? Only twice in my lifetime, this year and Gore/Bush (which was highly contested). Florida going one way by a small percentage of votes should not count the same as NY going one way by a much larger percentage. Many more people voted in Florida as a result, since the gap was within 150K votes instead of 1.5M votes. “If the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent." -Alexander Hamilton California and New York don't need any more electoral votes imo. But sure, let's say California and New York each get 10 more combined Senators/Representatives. That's 20 more electoral votes for Clinton which brings her to 252. Still not enough to win right? She lost important states she was expected to win easily including your own state of PA.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 16, 2016 14:39:11 GMT -8
I thought both popular candidates were hard to trust. It's clear that half the country would be worried no matter the outcome. Crazy times but I'd accept either outcome. Just like if the Electoral vote was scrapped I'd accept it because there is a fair process by which to do it. We can go tit for tat on propaganda of the election process or just focus on what is actually going on now in Trumps cabinet. One of the biggest problems with US politics is the every 4 years a portion of the population vote, at which time they know everything, then after an election they bury their head in the sand and they know nothing again. White House Strategist is a white supremacist who has a vision to turn America into a European descent only country eventually. It has been documented and professed. His head of EPA has denied human involvement in Climate Change. Paul Ryan is now talking about removing Medicare and social security. The number one thing I learned this fall was how many unbelievably naive and callously ignorant people in this county who will focus and be swayed on politically strategized propaganda over common sense. A sad and unsettling reality. Valid concerns for sure and more of a serious discussion than 12th ammendment. Although I do question some, not all, of the climate change "science" and I live in a state some have predicted to be drastically affected. I think there are or would be different but serious concerns about either popular candidate, their cabinets and agendas. That's not to say we are sitting pretty right now. Because we obviously are not.
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Post by history2b on Nov 16, 2016 15:57:08 GMT -8
They should be re-adjusted for population periodically at the very least. What is wrong with majority vote truthfully? If you're worried about left or right getting an advantage, I think it all averages out. Truthfully, it would result in a lot more people voting if they felt their vote actually counted towards something. How often has the popular vote winner not won the presidency? Only twice in my lifetime, this year and Gore/Bush (which was highly contested). Florida going one way by a small percentage of votes should not count the same as NY going one way by a much larger percentage. Many more people voted in Florida as a result, since the gap was within 150K votes instead of 1.5M votes. “If the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent." -Alexander Hamilton California and New York don't need any more electoral votes imo. But sure, let's say California and New York each get 10 more combined Senators/Representatives. That's 20 more electoral votes for Clinton which brings her to 252. Still not enough to win right? She lost important states she was expected to win easily including your own state of PA. Gerrymandering. That reality alone is enough of a reason IMO to abolish the electoral college. If the process in place now, original framers ideas or not, is fraught with corruption and political manipulation then it fails to achieve its intended purpose.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 16, 2016 16:01:17 GMT -8
“If the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent." -Alexander Hamilton California and New York don't need any more electoral votes imo. But sure, let's say California and New York each get 10 more combined Senators/Representatives. That's 20 more electoral votes for Clinton which brings her to 252. Still not enough to win right? She lost important states she was expected to win easily including your own state of PA. Gerrymandering. That reality alone is enough of a reason IMO to abolish the electoral college. If the process in place now, original framers ideas or not, is fraught with corruption and political manipulation then it fails to achieve its intended purpose. How do you think it can be made better? Without going to straight up nation wide majority votes?
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Post by history2b on Nov 16, 2016 16:06:20 GMT -8
We can go tit for tat on propaganda of the election process or just focus on what is actually going on now in Trumps cabinet. One of the biggest problems with US politics is the every 4 years a portion of the population vote, at which time they know everything, then after an election they bury their head in the sand and they know nothing again. White House Strategist is a white supremacist who has a vision to turn America into a European descent only country eventually. It has been documented and professed. His head of EPA has denied human involvement in Climate Change. Paul Ryan is now talking about removing Medicare and social security. The number one thing I learned this fall was how many unbelievably naive and callously ignorant people in this county who will focus and be swayed on politically strategized propaganda over common sense. A sad and unsettling reality. Valid concerns for sure and more of a serious discussion than 12th ammendment. Although I do question some, not all, of the climate change "science" and I live in a state some have predicted to be drastically affected. I think there are or would be different but serious concerns about either popular candidate, their cabinets and agendas. That's not to say we are sitting pretty right now. Because we obviously are not. Regarding climate change, I'm not a scientist and I don't study it but I've read a fair amount about it. It's something that's been documented by current fossil fuel extracting companies, domestic science research and resoundingly in the international scientific community for decades. That said, why would any rational thinking person not be inclined to error on the side of caution as a skeptic? Essentially the side opposing the acknowledgement of climate change is the equivalent of someone who denies the potential threat of HIV. They can rationalize that they haven't gotten HIV despite unprotected sexual exploits therefore it must not exist. Ultimately if you want to know the truth about something in the realm of politics then you simply follow the money. And in this case the money behind the campaign to deny human affected climate change overwhelmingly comes from the fossil fuel industry. Thus it's happening because their right to profit "until the wheels fall off" supersedes everyone else's right to live on the planet safely.
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Post by history2b on Nov 16, 2016 16:14:21 GMT -8
Gerrymandering. That reality alone is enough of a reason IMO to abolish the electoral college. If the process in place now, original framers ideas or not, is fraught with corruption and political manipulation then it fails to achieve its intended purpose. How do you think it can be made better? Without going to straight up nation wide majority votes? Abolish it.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 16, 2016 16:45:37 GMT -8
Valid concerns for sure and more of a serious discussion than 12th ammendment. Although I do question some, not all, of the climate change "science" and I live in a state some have predicted to be drastically affected. I think there are or would be different but serious concerns about either popular candidate, their cabinets and agendas. That's not to say we are sitting pretty right now. Because we obviously are not. Regarding climate change, I'm not a scientist and I don't study it but I've read a fair amount about it. It's something that's been documented by current fossil fuel extracting companies, domestic science research and resoundingly in the international scientific community for decades. That said, why would any rational thinking person not be inclined to error on the side of caution as a skeptic? Essentially the side opposing the acknowledgement of climate change is the equivalent of someone who denies the potential threat of HIV. They can rationalize that they haven't gotten HIV despite unprotected sexual exploits therefore it must not exist. Ultimately if you want to know the truth about something in the realm of politics then you simply follow the money. And in this case the money behind the campaign to deny human affected climate change overwhelmingly comes from the fossil fuel industry. Thus it's not happening because their right to profit "until the wheels fall off" supersedes everyone else's right to live on the planet safely. Couldn't agree more there but I'd include Nuclear industry as well.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 16, 2016 17:06:15 GMT -8
How do you think it can be made better? Without going to straight up nation wide majority votes? Abolish it. Abolish it and then elect in what way though? Are we then relying on the majority of voting populace being reasonable and or well-informed? Hillary won California alone by 2.7 million votes which is more than her projected margin of victory nation wide. Electoral College still ensures people are not ruled as colonies by massive "blue" (or "red") states.
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