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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 9:37:10 GMT -8
In case anyone wants to know why we are in the voting quagmire we are in look no further than REPUBLICAN legislation that was passed and enacted in states like Pennsylvania that made it illegal to count votes before Election Day.
This meant that all of the unprecedented absentee ballots cast in the weeks before couldn’t be counted until the same day all of the in person votes were being cast. An obvious and deliberate logistical problem has ensued.
On top of that the Department of Justice has sent armed federal guards into voting rooms in the state of Pennsylvania as well in an unprecedented move that twists the interpretation of law into some new form of legal bullshit.
These moves are all calculated moves by the RNC to block votes and create a false sense of fraud as has been their plan since early spring. Regardless, anyone who supports their antics must come up with an argument as to how and why a Democracy should only count some votes but not others. Republicans don’t even understand what democracy means and that is EXACTLY what makes their platform fascist.
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 9:39:06 GMT -8
Oh really? On what grounds? Articulate your viewpoint on your understanding on the concept of Democracy without interference of propaganda. Lawsuits were filed in MI, GA, PA and NV. I asked you to put into your own words what grounds constitute a Supreme Court ruling and what is to be challenged, not to state that Donald Trump, career con artist with 4000+ active lawsuits has filed lawsuits in various states.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 9:59:31 GMT -8
Lawsuits were filed in MI, GA, PA and NV. I asked you to put into your own words what grounds constitute a Supreme Court ruling and what is to be challenged, not to state that Donald Trump, career con artist with 4000+ active lawsuits has filed lawsuits in various states. The campaign has filed lawsuits on the grounds of illegal ballots, voter fraud and election misconduct. Local and State courts will have to rule. If the campaign is not satisfied they will go to the Supreme Court. Did you know that in Nevada an old lady went to go vote and was denied because election workers said she already voted by mail? She says she never received a ballot in the mail.
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 10:05:43 GMT -8
I asked you to put into your own words what grounds constitute a Supreme Court ruling and what is to be challenged, not to state that Donald Trump, career con artist with 4000+ active lawsuits has filed lawsuits in various states. The campaign has filed lawsuits on the grounds of illegal ballots, voter fraud and election misconduct. Local and State courts will have to rule. If the campaign is not satisfied they will go to the Supreme Court. Did you know that in Nevada an old lady went to go vote and was denied because election workers said she already voted by mail? She says she never received a ballot in the mail. Polly want a cracker? I asked for your own words and you literally copied right wing rhetoric. A single story of a voter in Nevada who was denied a vote does not constitute mass voter fraud. But what is interesting is that history has proven that when the voter turnout is high Democrats win overwhelmingly. The highest turn out in US history just took place and it’s Republicans neck and neck all over with them crying that Democrats committed voter fraud. Gee, I wonder if that sentiment comes from a career criminal con artist and his people.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 10:08:45 GMT -8
The campaign has filed lawsuits on the grounds of illegal ballots, voter fraud and election misconduct. Local and State courts will have to rule. If the campaign is not satisfied they will go to the Supreme Court. Did you know that in Nevada an old lady went to go vote and was denied because election workers said she already voted by mail? She says she never received a ballot in the mail. Polly want a cracker? I asked for your own words and you literally copied right wing rhetoric. A single story of a voter in Nevada who was denied a vote does not constitute mass voter fraud. But what is interesting is that history has proven that when the voter turnout is high Democrats win overwhelmingly. The highest turn out in US history just took place and it’s Republicans neck and neck all over with them crying that Democrats committed voter fraud. Gee, I wonder if that sentiment comes from a career criminal con artist and his people. The courts will decide on the lawsuits.
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 10:15:14 GMT -8
Polly want a cracker? I asked for your own words and you literally copied right wing rhetoric. A single story of a voter in Nevada who was denied a vote does not constitute mass voter fraud. But what is interesting is that history has proven that when the voter turnout is high Democrats win overwhelmingly. The highest turn out in US history just took place and it’s Republicans neck and neck all over with them crying that Democrats committed voter fraud. Gee, I wonder if that sentiment comes from a career criminal con artist and his people. The courts will decide on the lawsuits. A Georgia federal judge has already thrown out Trumps lawsuit. The onus is still on you to make the argument that votes should not be counted in a democracy. Put down Breitbart and make your case...
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 10:19:55 GMT -8
The courts will decide on the lawsuits. A Georgia federal judge has already thrown out Trumps lawsuit. The onus is still on you to make the argument that votes should not be counted in a democracy. Put down Breitbart and make your case... Votes should absolutely be counted. A PA Judge just ruled that GOP Observers can watch ballot counts. Do you agree with that judge?
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 10:24:00 GMT -8
A Georgia federal judge has already thrown out Trumps lawsuit. The onus is still on you to make the argument that votes should not be counted in a democracy. Put down Breitbart and make your case... Votes should absolutely be counted. A PA Judge just ruled that GOP Observers can watch ballot counts. Do you agree with that judge? I don’t agree that GOP observers should be armed. Bipartisan observers should be universal. But your “votes should absolutely be counted” goes against Trump’s lawsuits in 2 states where his suit is asking for the vote counting to stop. This is what’s called talking out of both sides of your ass at once.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 10:28:14 GMT -8
Votes should absolutely be counted. A PA Judge just ruled that GOP Observers can watch ballot counts. Do you agree with that judge? I don’t agree that GOP observers should be armed. Bipartisan observers should be universal. But your “votes should absolutely be counted” goes against Trump’s lawsuits in 2 states where his suit is asking for the vote counting to stop. This is what’s called talking out of both sides of your ass at once. They want the voting to pause so they can get GOP observers in to watch the vote count. Don't be disingenuous. Don't GOP observers have a "right" to observe?
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 10:34:30 GMT -8
I don’t agree that GOP observers should be armed. Bipartisan observers should be universal. But your “votes should absolutely be counted” goes against Trump’s lawsuits in 2 states where his suit is asking for the vote counting to stop. This is what’s called talking out of both sides of your ass at once. They want the voting to pause so they can get GOP observers in to watch the vote count. Don't be disingenuous. Don't GOP observers have a "right" to observe? Wrong! That’s is a conjecture argument made by you on no factual grounds whatsoever. You took the situation in Pennsylvania and conflated it to be the same lawsuit filed in Georgia and Arizona which is flat out wrong. And you do so because you can’t make an argument for what is going on. You either have to repeat the right wing talking point or lie. No in between.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 10:42:52 GMT -8
They want the voting to pause so they can get GOP observers in to watch the vote count. Don't be disingenuous. Don't GOP observers have a "right" to observe? Wrong! That’s is a conjecture argument made by you on no factual grounds whatsoever. You took the situation in Pennsylvania and conflated it to be the same lawsuit filed in Georgia and Arizona which is flat out wrong. And you do so because you can’t make an argument for what is going on. You either have to repeat the right wing talking point or lie. No in between. Should ballots from dead people in Nevada be counted?
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 11:11:18 GMT -8
Wrong! That’s is a conjecture argument made by you on no factual grounds whatsoever. You took the situation in Pennsylvania and conflated it to be the same lawsuit filed in Georgia and Arizona which is flat out wrong. And you do so because you can’t make an argument for what is going on. You either have to repeat the right wing talking point or lie. No in between. Should ballots from dead people in Nevada be counted? More unsubstantiated lies. This is what makes you a moron. You couldn’t maintain your illusion very long, cuck.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 11:22:29 GMT -8
Should ballots from dead people in Nevada be counted? More unsubstantiated lies. This is what makes you a moron. You couldn’t maintain your illusion very long, cuck. The courts will decide.
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 12:01:47 GMT -8
More unsubstantiated lies. This is what makes you a moron. You couldn’t maintain your illusion very long, cuck. The courts will decide. Will decide what? Be specific and stop blindly repeating your propaganda. When pressed to explain yourself, you can’t. You can only repeat shit you read on idiotic right wing media sites. They’re pushing hard right now for courts to intervene. But courts and judges can be corrupt as well. Courts all around this country were segregationist for a century. Does that legacy not matter this time because it’s inconvenient to your position?
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 12:12:42 GMT -8
Will decide what? Be specific and stop blindly repeating your propaganda. When pressed to explain yourself, you can’t. You can only repeat shit you read on idiotic right wing media sites. They’re pushing hard right now for courts to intervene. But courts and judges can be corrupt as well. Courts all around this country were segregationist for a century. Does that legacy not matter this time because it’s inconvenient to your position? The courts will decide if there was voter fraud, illegal ballots or election misconduct.
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 12:24:46 GMT -8
Will decide what? Be specific and stop blindly repeating your propaganda. When pressed to explain yourself, you can’t. You can only repeat shit you read on idiotic right wing media sites. They’re pushing hard right now for courts to intervene. But courts and judges can be corrupt as well. Courts all around this country were segregationist for a century. Does that legacy not matter this time because it’s inconvenient to your position? The courts will decide if there was voter fraud, illegal ballots or election misconduct. And the belief in that process of being non partisan is idiotic beyond comprehension. You are a party cuck, nothing more.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Nov 5, 2020 12:37:14 GMT -8
The courts will decide if there was voter fraud, illegal ballots or election misconduct. And the belief in that process of being non partisan is idiotic beyond comprehension. You are a party cuck, nothing more. I'm a registered Non Partisan Independent, Black Conservative, Black Capitalist if you must know. If Trump loses, Conservatives have the Supreme Court and Senate. The Green New Deal is dead. Reversing Tax Cuts are dead. Adding more Supreme Court Judges is dead.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 5, 2020 12:54:50 GMT -8
Biden did co-sponsor bills against busing back in the early 70's. That doesn't make him a segregationist. One can understandably disagree with his decision back then, but his philosophy was about trying to improve schools in the inner cities as a better priority because bussing upset too many whites in Delaware. Now, you can still philosophically disagree with that position he took. However, there is a BIG difference between a white supremacist and a being a politician. Abraham Lincoln said publicly he didn't really care one way or the other about whether slavery would continue because he was more concerned about keeping the Union together. Did that make him pro-slavery or did that just make him a shrewd politician? My point, is that sometimes you have to work with those who you disagree with in order to achieve your political goals. Your conflation to Biden as a white supremacist is completely ignorant and misguided. You can disagree with Biden's policies, but calling him a white supremacist is just plain ignorant or willfully disingenuous. In addition, I'm way more interested in what Biden believes today than what he said in the 1970's. He has the support from the vast majority of African Americans today even those who have been around as long as he has and are well aware of Biden's record. Most blacks are NOT going to give a white supremacist their vote. To believe otherwise says more about you than blacks. Saying Biden is a white supremacist is nothing more than a tired and worn out Fox News talking point that has no merit of truth behind it at all. I don’t watch Fox News so I don’t know what their talking points are. I do know that Joe Biden is a white supremacist. So is Trump. Regardless, this election is going to the Supreme Court. You not understanding the difference between a white supremacist and a politician tells me how much you know about actual politics--which is very little. Keep parroting those right wing talking points all day, it won't change the fact that Trump is going to lose this election and that his lawsuits are going to be thrown out because they have no merit whatsoever. Those voters who voted by the deadline on Nov.3rd will get their vote counted--as they should regardless of their political affiliation.
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Post by history2b on Nov 5, 2020 12:55:34 GMT -8
And the belief in that process of being non partisan is idiotic beyond comprehension. You are a party cuck, nothing more. I'm a registered Non Partisan Independent, Black Conservative, Black Capitalist if you must know. If Trump loses Conservatives have the Supreme Court and Senate. The Green New Deal is dead. Reversing Tax Cuts are dead. Adding more Supreme Court Judges is dead. I already knew what you were. That distinction doesn’t exclude you from being a party cuck. Republican policy is as such that you celebrate it, despite its obvious consequences. From 2021-2023, it looks that way but beyond that no one can project. Depends on what propaganda is selling in between now and then. But that also means is that the stuck in the mud, do nothing Republicanism will continue to divide the people for their financial gain. Not addressing the climate catastrophe looming will only make the solutions that come after the fact more drastic and much more expensive. Celebrating that fact makes for a stupid capitalist.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 5, 2020 13:04:44 GMT -8
lakerfan1980 is not completely wrong to say what he’s saying about Biden but it is clearly a manufactured talking point.
Consider what he’s really saying about Joe’s voting record during a time before Kareem Abdul Jabbar was a Laker; do you really think lakerfan1980 (or any conservative) knows Joe Biden’s complete and comprehensive voting record? Or were these points specifically brought up now, after the fact to undermine the Democrats? More importantly is the fact, not opinion, that Joe’s voting record is very much like that of a Republican! Joe is one of those “good Democrats” that always looked to work with “both sides” to foster bipartisan legislation. And NOW modern day Republicucks want you to know that he supported “X Y and Z” but not mention that “X Y and Z” are Republican policies. That said, Biden was chosen by the oligarchic elite because he not only serves their interests like the Republicans, but also by the DNC so to appeal to Centrist Democrats and Republicans in middle America. Even so I couldn’t and wouldn’t call Joe a white supremacist now. He’s a career politician and career politicians go where the wind blows them. 40-50 years ago the climate in America was much different than it is now and Joe is reflective of those changes in plenty of ways. Homeboy can keep beating the drum of “WAS” a segregationist but the past tense of that verb is very different than being an active inciting white supremacist which is what Trump is now. Which is why I also agreed to an extent about Biden's record on busing. But to your point, lakerfan1980 still doesn't understand the times and the fact that Biden was a politician operating in a political environment of trying to please both sides. That's very different from being a straight white supremacist. By his reasoning, if Biden is a white supremacist, then so are a WHOLE LOT OF OTHER politicians on both sides of the aisle. This is the stupidest argument I have heard on here. I'd have more respect for him if he just came out and said "I don't like Biden for X,Y, and Z reasons" than for calling him a white supremacist which has zero merit.
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