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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 30, 2024 8:49:56 GMT -8
"It's been extremely challenging," Ham said. "Everyone that's been in and out of the lineup. Being criticized for not having a consistent rotation when I don't have consistent healthy bodies. The thing that frustrates me, and I love this job, I love the pressure that comes with it, I've always been calm in the midst of chaos ... [But] common sense tends to go out the window when you talk about my job in particular. "It's amazing how people just skip that core part of having a consistency with your lineup is all predicated on health and performance. If you're coaching a team and one of your starters is like 10 games in a row, just s---ting the bed, what are you going to do?" ---------------------------------------- Of course blaming health. But I have never seen a coach throw a player under the bus like that at the end Guessing he's referring to DLo there?
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Post by history2b on Apr 30, 2024 9:16:39 GMT -8
I took it was a dig at Rui but could be DLo or even Austin, who started out the season poorly.
But, yeah, never seen a guy throw his players under the bus like this either. He is 100% out and he knows it, the media knows it and the players know it.
Good riddance Zen pockets.
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Apr 30, 2024 9:18:49 GMT -8
I took it was a dig at Rui but could be DLo or even Austin, who started out the season poorly. But, yeah, never seen a guy throw his players under the bus like they either. He is 100% out and he knows it, the media knows it and the players know it. Good riddance Zen pockets. think that is either D'lo or Reaves and most likely is just D'lo. it took Ham half the season to start Rui
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Post by history2b on Apr 30, 2024 9:38:04 GMT -8
I took it was a dig at Rui but could be DLo or even Austin, who started out the season poorly. But, yeah, never seen a guy throw his players under the bus like they either. He is 100% out and he knows it, the media knows it and the players know it. Good riddance Zen pockets. think that is either D'lo or Reaves and most likely is just D'lo. it took Ham half the season to start Rui Yeah probably that stretch in late December when DLo was shitting the bed. Wonder if Steve Kerr spoke like this about Klay Thompson too.
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Post by hackashaq on Apr 30, 2024 10:22:17 GMT -8
When someone gets that defensive about criticism, he sort of subliminally knows he's the problem and is in over his head.
He seems to be the kinda guy who thought the talent around him would be enough to hide his own deficiencies, his own lack of self confidence in the decisions he has to make. But when faced with equal or greater talent, and good coaching to boot, the margins no longer existed to hide his deficiencies.
I can't wait for him to leave, but I think the damage is done. Not sure if Lebron is staying, and I don't know how to feel about that.
And if Lebron is gone, who knows what happens with everyone else.
But if this is Ham's swan song, so be it.
The Kobe/Shaq Lakers had a hell of a problem getting past Utah and SA before Phil came in and made them a champion his first year.
Not saying this team is in that same situation as the Shaq/Kobe team, but I do think we need better leadership here.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 30, 2024 12:55:33 GMT -8
Absolutely need better coaching. You can have the roster but if they aren't coached at a high level they will never win against other rosters that are.
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Post by lakeshow on Apr 30, 2024 14:56:58 GMT -8
Wow
I've never heard a coach throw one of his players like that under the bus. He has to be referring to D'Lo, although I initially thought he was talking about Rui too.
Ham is as good as gone, no question about it. I understand that he probably feels unfairly targeted and is just letting his words fly, but it's definitely not a good look from a coach on his way out the door. Other teams and players will see that and it only hurts your chances of being a head coach again, at least in the near future.
Ham right now is better suited as an assistant coach. He has a lot to learn and it would do him good to learn from some of the better coaches in the league.
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Post by history2b on Apr 30, 2024 17:55:37 GMT -8
Absolutely need better coaching. You can have the roster but if they aren't coached at a high level they will never win against other rosters that are. It’s a new era. In the past you could get by with a decent coach and talent but to win it all you needed an elite coach. Lakers pre-Phil are a prime example. But now you need the talent, the role players, the coach, the trainers. It’s a multi-billion dollar a year operation now. The competitors have raised the stakes and the bar. Jeanie Buss needs to get her shit together or bow out.
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Apr 30, 2024 19:03:24 GMT -8
they need to hurry up and fire his ass and get into the process of finding his replacement. I honestly have no clue where they might go with the hire.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 30, 2024 21:10:51 GMT -8
My guess is they'll try to hire someone sometime between the end of the conference finals and the NBA draft.
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Post by shaolinfighter on May 1, 2024 7:39:37 GMT -8
When someone gets that defensive about criticism, he sort of subliminally knows he's the problem and is in over his head. He seems to be the kinda guy who thought the talent around him would be enough to hide his own deficiencies, his own lack of self confidence in the decisions he has to make. But when faced with equal or greater talent, and good coaching to boot, the margins no longer existed to hide his deficiencies. I can't wait for him to leave, but I think the damage is done. Not sure if Lebron is staying, and I don't know how to feel about that. And if Lebron is gone, who knows what happens with everyone else. But if this is Ham's swan song, so be it. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers had a hell of a problem getting past Utah and SA before Phil came in and made them a champion his first year. Not saying this team is in that same situation as the Shaq/Kobe team, but I do think we need better leadership here. Lebron plans to sign a 2-3 year contract with the Lakers according to Woj. I've always imagined him retiring at the end of Season #23 which is his jersey number and that would mean a 2 year contract.
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Post by lakeshow on May 1, 2024 10:15:08 GMT -8
When someone gets that defensive about criticism, he sort of subliminally knows he's the problem and is in over his head. He seems to be the kinda guy who thought the talent around him would be enough to hide his own deficiencies, his own lack of self confidence in the decisions he has to make. But when faced with equal or greater talent, and good coaching to boot, the margins no longer existed to hide his deficiencies. I can't wait for him to leave, but I think the damage is done. Not sure if Lebron is staying, and I don't know how to feel about that. And if Lebron is gone, who knows what happens with everyone else. But if this is Ham's swan song, so be it. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers had a hell of a problem getting past Utah and SA before Phil came in and made them a champion his first year. Not saying this team is in that same situation as the Shaq/Kobe team, but I do think we need better leadership here. Lebron plans to sign a 2-3 year contract with the Lakers according to Woj. I've always imagined him retiring at the end of Season #23 which is his jersey number and that would mean a 2 year contract. Which means Ham is definitely gone. No way Lebron is playing for him again.
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Post by history2b on May 1, 2024 12:07:42 GMT -8
No chance Ham is back no matter what imo. I don’t think very highly of Rob and Jeanie but even they are not that dumb. The team revolted and were told to pipe down and do their job. The media had a frenzy highlighting play after play, huddle after huddle, game after game with Ham looking like a buffoon and the players overriding him. The series against Denver exposed the disconnect between several players and Ham.
To go back into next season with that same putz would be catastrophic from the outset. Then they’d be in, “we need to fire him and find a replacement midseason” mode. Nothing could be dumber.
He got his chance and he failed. Not everyone is cut out for the seat. There are no obligations or guarantees. He was well paid and now he can go on with his life coaching high school or maybe college somewhere. But not here. This is the big leagues and he simply does not have the bball intellect to compete.
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Post by history2b on May 1, 2024 12:09:33 GMT -8
When someone gets that defensive about criticism, he sort of subliminally knows he's the problem and is in over his head. He seems to be the kinda guy who thought the talent around him would be enough to hide his own deficiencies, his own lack of self confidence in the decisions he has to make. But when faced with equal or greater talent, and good coaching to boot, the margins no longer existed to hide his deficiencies. I can't wait for him to leave, but I think the damage is done. Not sure if Lebron is staying, and I don't know how to feel about that. And if Lebron is gone, who knows what happens with everyone else. But if this is Ham's swan song, so be it. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers had a hell of a problem getting past Utah and SA before Phil came in and made them a champion his first year. Not saying this team is in that same situation as the Shaq/Kobe team, but I do think we need better leadership here. Lebron plans to sign a 2-3 year contract with the Lakers according to Woj. I've always imagined him retiring at the end of Season #23 which is his jersey number and that would mean a 2 year contract. Seems to me all of that will be dependent one what we do draft day / free agency. I wouldn’t expect an extension from him until after he sees what we intend to do.
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on May 1, 2024 16:59:25 GMT -8
When someone gets that defensive about criticism, he sort of subliminally knows he's the problem and is in over his head. He seems to be the kinda guy who thought the talent around him would be enough to hide his own deficiencies, his own lack of self confidence in the decisions he has to make. But when faced with equal or greater talent, and good coaching to boot, the margins no longer existed to hide his deficiencies. I can't wait for him to leave, but I think the damage is done. Not sure if Lebron is staying, and I don't know how to feel about that. And if Lebron is gone, who knows what happens with everyone else. But if this is Ham's swan song, so be it. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers had a hell of a problem getting past Utah and SA before Phil came in and made them a champion his first year. Not saying this team is in that same situation as the Shaq/Kobe team, but I do think we need better leadership here. Lebron plans to sign a 2-3 year contract with the Lakers according to Woj. I've always imagined him retiring at the end of Season #23 which is his jersey number and that would mean a 2 year contract. I wish he'd consider a discount that would give the Lakers flexibility to bring in other pieces. I know it's not happening, but that's probably his only shot at winning another title
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Post by history2b on May 1, 2024 19:13:21 GMT -8
Lebron plans to sign a 2-3 year contract with the Lakers according to Woj. I've always imagined him retiring at the end of Season #23 which is his jersey number and that would mean a 2 year contract. I wish he'd consider a discount that would give the Lakers flexibility to bring in other pieces. I know it's not happening, but that's probably his only shot at winning another title How would his doing so give us flexibility to do that? We don’t magically get cap space via his discount?
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Post by hackashaq on May 1, 2024 19:14:42 GMT -8
Perhaps Lebron's discount will depend on the Lakers willingness to draft Brony.
I don't know how to feel about that, but given he would be a low draft choice, perhaps it won't hurt that bad.
To get 2-3 more years from Lebron with AD, and if a "get better" discount is a part of that bargain, I'd take it, and try to sign someone and swing a trade.
We obviously need a good defender who has some scoring ability, and a PG that can shoot the lights put dependably with less sulking.
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Post by shaolinfighter on May 2, 2024 9:27:20 GMT -8
Yeah even tho it's from Woj I still expect Lebron to wait it out a bit to exert pressure on the FO to perform. He pretty much just did exactly that with his latest tweet. I do think the Lakers FO would have to fumble things extraordinarily for him to leave tho.
No chance imo that Lebron takes a huge discount. It would be stupid for him to do so and would be pretty much pointless for the Lakers to attempt to make him do so. When you're Lebron James, even in year 21, you try to extract your value and as the Lakers you don't want to sit down with a Lebron James and try to lowball him. You either pay him what you think he's worth or you say au revoir.
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Post by history2b on May 2, 2024 10:57:43 GMT -8
Yeah even tho it's from Woj I still expect Lebron to wait it out a bit to exert pressure on the FO to perform. He pretty much just did exactly that with his latest tweet. I do think the Lakers FO would have to fumble things extraordinarily for him to leave tho. No chance imo that Lebron takes a huge discount. It would be stupid for him to do so and would be pretty much pointless for the Lakers to attempt to make him do so. When you're Lebron James, even in year 21, you try to extract your value and as the Lakers you don't want to sit down with a Lebron James and try to lowball him. You either pay him what you think he's worth or you say au revoir. I could see him taking an ever so slight discount off the max like $150M / years vs the 160M+ he’s qualified for. But like I said what would be the point of a discount if the Lakers don’t get that discount difference back in spending money? You don’t get an extra MLE. You don’t get additional cap space. We are capped out without him so the discount would entirely be for Lebron James to take from his own family and give it to Jeanie. Fuck that.
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Post by shopson67 on May 2, 2024 11:01:23 GMT -8
they need to hurry up and fire his ass and get into the process of finding his replacement. I honestly have no clue where they might go with the hire. Shouldn't have to wait long...
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