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Post by asweetcalamity on Oct 28, 2014 13:20:28 GMT -8
Fred Jackson is a hell of a healer. He goes down and it looks like he's dead, and he's always back quickly. Brown may be in their plans, but he has a ton of work to do to become a viable NFL player. A good project back for sure, but they fancy themselves a playoff team. Can't necessarily afford to go through growing pains with him if that's your mindset.
We got way too far into this. Initial comment a total throwaway when making a list, now we are debating hypotheticals upon hypotheticals. Like I said, I don't even like name brand RB and Rice has to go through a ton of public rehab before it would even be possible.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Oct 29, 2014 16:57:02 GMT -8
Fred Jackson is written off like every season lol. Can't kill that guy. But he will get old soon and Bills will need a replacement, same with Spiller. Bryce Brown aint that dude imo. They should draft a good one. Their defense shows up at times but without Sammy, Bills would be 1-7 or winless imo
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Post by shopson67 on Oct 30, 2014 10:47:18 GMT -8
Bryce is intended to replace one of them, but they will definitely need to draft another if they let Spiller walk.
Sammy has been good, but their defense has been better IMO. If Orton had been starting all along, the Bills are likely a game better, as I think they beat the Texans without Manuel's errors.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Oct 30, 2014 14:59:01 GMT -8
Yeah, Orton starting probably gets them a win in that game against Texans
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Post by TruthTella2 on Oct 31, 2014 1:47:24 GMT -8
I don't even like Rice that much, but let's dig a bit deeper here on he and Brown. 3.1 YPC in the worst of his career while injured- never below 4.0 otherwise. Let't not pretend he's forever a 3.1 guy. We are giving Brown credit for 0 fumbles on 75 carries? No thanks 4 fumbles on 115 carries in 2012. That's terribad. For comparison, Rice has 9 on 1800 career touches. I'm not shouting from the rooftops that Buf needs to sign Rice. I'm of the persuasion to avoid paying anything for RB anyway- the most fungible position in the league, maybe next to LBs. But not all NFL teams think this way, and Boobie Dixon is not a RB. Fred Jackson is only expected to be out a few weeks. Most likely, Rice's issue won't even be decided upon before he returns. Rice is almost 28 and has a lot of wear and tear. Plus, the Bills don't need any more distraction players; they traded away Lynch for less distraction than Rice would bring. Bills traded for Bryce as potential Spiller insurance next season, so he is in their plans. and Fred Jackson is almost 34...
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Post by shopson67 on Oct 31, 2014 8:21:44 GMT -8
Fred Jackson is only expected to be out a few weeks. Most likely, Rice's issue won't even be decided upon before he returns. Rice is almost 28 and has a lot of wear and tear. Plus, the Bills don't need any more distraction players; they traded away Lynch for less distraction than Rice would bring. Bills traded for Bryce as potential Spiller insurance next season, so he is in their plans. and Fred Jackson is almost 34... Yes, but he hasn't been in the NFL all those years. He's signed through next year and that will be the end. Is Spiller is retained, Bryce becomes Fred insurance. If Spiller signs elsewhere, Bills need to draft an RB on day 2.
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Post by asweetcalamity on Nov 11, 2014 16:50:45 GMT -8
Bryce Brown showing off his Bryce Brownness again this week, good and bad.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 12, 2014 11:39:40 GMT -8
LOL.
Bryce Brown gets ball, runs like a mad man to the 1 inch line where he gets the football knocked out of his hands just before crossing the goal line. Hold on to the ball man... Cost his team a win for sure.
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Post by TruthTella2 on Nov 12, 2014 12:20:22 GMT -8
I don't even like Rice that much, but let's dig a bit deeper here on he and Brown. 3.1 YPC in the worst of his career while injured- never below 4.0 otherwise. Let't not pretend he's forever a 3.1 guy. We are giving Brown credit for 0 fumbles on 75 carries? No thanks 4 fumbles on 115 carries in 2012. That's terribad. For comparison, Rice has 9 on 1800 career touches. I'm not shouting from the rooftops that Buf needs to sign Rice. I'm of the persuasion to avoid paying anything for RB anyway- the most fungible position in the league, maybe next to LBs. But not all NFL teams think this way, and Boobie Dixon is not a RB. Fred Jackson is only expected to be out a few weeks. Most likely, Rice's issue won't even be decided upon before he returns. Rice is almost 28 and has a lot of wear and tear. Plus, the Bills don't need any more distraction players; they traded away Lynch for less distraction than Rice would bring. Bills traded for Bryce as potential Spiller insurance next season, so he is in their plans. How dumb does that lynch trade look for buffalo?
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Post by shaolinfighter on Nov 12, 2014 18:26:56 GMT -8
Lynch deal looks terrible for buffalo lol.
Truth, you think Lynch stays in Seattle after this season?
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Post by TruthTella2 on Nov 12, 2014 19:50:50 GMT -8
Lynch deal looks terrible for buffalo lol. Truth, you think Lynch stays in Seattle after this season? Beast is on pace for 21 TDs sets the tone for the entire team and I think cutting him only saves like 5M I'm not sure if he wants a raise but if not he should be given the chance to retire with the team. The 2nd most talented RB on the team has like 15 career touches so it would be smart to give him another year to develop Lynch is also the best receiver on the team Seriously if Lynch goes the offense is dead and he does all this with maybe worst offensive like in league. He gets like 80% of yards after contact I think most Seattle fans would rather see the LT Okung cut before Lynch Wilson do an extension but thats just it extend him don't redo deal or on those first year deals cap number only like 7-9M I think Lynch goes next year in Seattle and retires
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 13, 2014 9:49:28 GMT -8
As far as that Lynch trade goes, he wasn't this same player on the Bills and was arguably the 3rd best RB in Buffalo (depending on your opinion of Spiller, plus they also had undrafted Joique Bell in camp that year for quite the 4 headed RB depth chart). They should've gotten more for him, but RBs are not easy to trade for full value these days. Unfortunately, the Bills did not contact enough teams to create competition for Lynch's services, as reportedly the Saints would've trumped Seattle's offer with at least a 3rd rounder.
As much as you want to make the Seattle offense all about Lynch, he wasn't this successful in Buffalo. It's all about committing to the run and having a strong defense and a game-managing QB. Seattle will have to change a bit without Lynch, but they have two able backs on the sideline currently.
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Post by Fanofish on Nov 13, 2014 10:02:07 GMT -8
As far as that Lynch trade goes, he wasn't this same player on the Bills and was arguably the 3rd best RB in Buffalo (depending on your opinion of Spiller, plus they also had undrafted Joique Bell in camp that year for quite the 4 headed RB depth chart). They should've gotten more for him, but RBs are not easy to trade for full value these days. Unfortunately, the Bills did not contact enough teams to create competition for Lynch's services, as reportedly the Saints would've trumped Seattle's offer with at least a 3rd rounder. As much as you want to make the Seattle offense all about Lynch, he wasn't this successful in Buffalo. It's all about committing to the run and having a strong defense and a game-managing QB. Seattle will have to change a bit without Lynch, but they have two able backs on the sideline currently. I have to respectfully disagree. He was not the 3rd best rb on that team. Dick Jauron and the owners had a hard-on for Jackson/Spiller and Lynch was relegated to min carries every week as they had just drafted Spiller with a high pick. And Lynch never complained. A true professional in that situation. imo All this at 23 years of age coming off 2 years of performance where combined he had over 2,600 rush/rec yards and 16 td's. I'm sure happy he's flourished in SEA. I've always thought BUF really f'd up on letting Lynch go. As a MIA fan I'm very pleased with that decision.
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 13, 2014 10:22:15 GMT -8
Lynch was far from professional off the field, which was always a factor (gun charges, DUI, hit and run). Once Spiller was drafted (the real issue), Lynch's days were numbered. He was the headache, while Jackson is the fan favorite and veteran leader for the team.
BTW, he was coming off a 13 game season where he averaged 3.8 ypc and had only 2 TD after being suspended by Goodell for 3 games to start the season (gun charges), not the stats you quoted.
Bills are probably setting themselves up for a repeat here, with Spiller a free agent this summer. Watch him go elsewhere and make the pro bowl.
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Post by pngsnb on Nov 16, 2014 23:54:28 GMT -8
AP shouldn't be reinstated, until Ray Rice lands a job, period. --- AP beats a child, after he lost a child. He needs some time, to sit and think on that one.
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 17, 2014 10:34:50 GMT -8
LOL. Bryce Brown gets ball, runs like a mad man to the 1 inch line where he gets the football knocked out of his hands just before crossing the goal line. Hold on to the ball man... Cost his team a win for sure. Bad mistake for sure, but also a hell of a defensive play. Ball was easily recoverable by the Bills in the end zone, but Chandler couldn't fall on it. Bryce has been solid as a receiver out of the backfield, but the Bills haven't given him many carries (about 6 per game).
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 17, 2014 10:35:55 GMT -8
AP shouldn't be reinstated, until Ray Rice lands a job, period. --- AP beats a child, after he lost a child. He needs some time, to sit and think on that one. Can't force someone to sign Rice though. Neither will probably play again this year. Even if AP is reinstated, would the Vikes let him play?
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Post by pngsnb on Nov 17, 2014 13:01:20 GMT -8
AP shouldn't be reinstated, until Ray Rice lands a job, period. --- AP beats a child, after he lost a child. He needs some time, to sit and think on that one. Can't force someone to sign Rice though. Neither will probably play again this year. Even if AP is reinstated, would the Vikes let him play? ..... not wanting/asking them to. Read what that line is Reeeallly saying.
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Post by shopson67 on Nov 17, 2014 19:57:48 GMT -8
Can't force someone to sign Rice though. Neither will probably play again this year. Even if AP is reinstated, would the Vikes let him play? ..... not wanting/asking them to. Read what that line is Reeeallly saying. AP has been sitting quite a while already (since the beating became public). Goodell has to quit hiding and waiting for public opinion to make his decisions for him.
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Post by asweetcalamity on Nov 21, 2014 9:53:15 GMT -8
Can't force someone to sign Rice though. Neither will probably play again this year. Even if AP is reinstated, would the Vikes let him play? ..... not wanting/asking them to. Read what that line is Reeeallly saying. We let killers play. Rice and Peterson will both be back, after the proper amount of public contrition. I do think AP gets cut though. Vikings save a ton of cash and cap room
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