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Post by lakeshowallday on Oct 21, 2014 20:20:22 GMT -8
I'm a little surprised that many of you don't see that he is one of the reasons the Lakers are where they are at right now. He and the FO. Kobe's huge ego and his "it's my franchise" bs even though he is no longer that player, and the incompetence of the FO.
I heard the Herd this morning, and I agree with him. I was actually hoping Kobe would retire. I loved what Kobe did and appreciate what he did, but that's over with now. Time to move on, but can't for a couple of more years. I'm a Lakers fan first, and Kobe fan second. But just have to live with it.
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Post by history2b on Oct 21, 2014 20:30:46 GMT -8
I'm a little surprised that many of you don't see that he is one of the reasons the Lakers are where they are at right now. He and the FO. Kobe's huge ego and his "it's my franchise" bs even though he is no longer that player, and the incompetence of the FO. I heard the Herd this morning, and I agree with him. I was actually hoping Kobe would retire. I loved what Kobe did and appreciate what he did, but that's over with now. Time to move on, but can't for a couple of more years. I'm a Lakers fan first, and Kobe fan second. But just have to live with it. Not what player? Basing that on what? What has he specifically done that hurt the team?
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Post by vintagekobe on Oct 21, 2014 22:10:46 GMT -8
Basically I hear a bunch of assholes mad Kobe won't retire. Stfu douchebags. I have to question the education of anyone who believes that pile of crap of an article wasn't just a piece written to smear kobe. Completely bias revisonist nonsense. How ESPN lets unprofessional garbage like that get published is shocking
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Post by shopson67 on Oct 22, 2014 8:24:13 GMT -8
Basically I hear a bunch of assholes mad Kobe won't retire. Stfu douchebags. I have to question the education of anyone who believes that pile of crap of an article wasn't just a piece written to smear kobe. Completely bias revisonist nonsense. How ESPN lets unprofessional garbage like that get published is shocking It's an old article that got released when Kobe said they were all idiots (after ranking him 40th). ESPN is extremely petty.
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Post by Fanofish on Oct 22, 2014 8:57:58 GMT -8
Ramon Sessions was flourishing That statement alone is indicative the level of stupidity behind the writing. During the first month of Sessions tenure with the Lakers he averaged 14 pts, 7 ast on 55% fg while playing on a team with Kobe. Not to mention it was the first time in a long time that we had a pg that could break defenses down which isn't in the box score. I'm sorry but that's flourishing to me bro. Not to mention, I seem to recall you being quite pleased with him when he first came to the Lakers.
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Post by Fanofish on Oct 22, 2014 9:00:09 GMT -8
Pretty obvious what it's telling. And I'm pretty sure it told me the same thing it told you. All the fanboys are up in arms about this article. Sorry fellas. The truth hurts. Hey, here's another one...that's not from the purported hack Abbott: deadspin.com/anonymous-nba-agents-nobody-wants-to-play-with-kobe-br-16487252911) In 2004, Bryant was a free agent and threatened to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers before Shaq was traded to the Miami Heat. Jackson preferred Shaq to Kobe and wasn’t happy with the trade, which led to even more organizational tension. 2) The honeymoon for Bryant and Howard came to a quick end with a report in the New York Daily News that Howard had to be restrained from going after Bryant after the two engaged in a heated exchange following the Lakers' New Year's Day loss to the 76ers. The altercation between the two reportedly included Bryant's mentioning Shaquille O'Neal's critiques of Howard as a soft player. Howard has complained to the media about the Lakers' lack of chemistry, a criticism possibly targeted at Bryant. 3) Ramon Sessions was flourishing with Kobe being out and the ball in his hands. Breaking defenses down and was a double-double machine. Kobe comes back and immediately has Mike B change to the Princeton offense effectively rendering Sessions useless. That worked out fantastically. 4) THE CONTRACT. That nets Kobe as much as Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili combined makes it virtually impossible to compete. Comments like "why should he pass up the $?" are absurd. Answer - if he wanted to win he wouldn't have allowed little Jimmy to screw up the Lakers chances of competing for a championship before he retires. 5) Bynum - "Ship his [rear end] out. We're talking Jason Kidd," said Bryant. "They didn't want to do that. That's why we're in this [messed up] position." 6) It's too late, I'm gone - Bryant is approached with the query, "Please tell us you're staying!" His response: "Get a [Chicago] Bulls uniform fellas." And yes, Dwight did give up many guaranteed millions even with the state tax savings. Bullshit. It may be a perspective but it is no way truth. Nah. It's true.
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Post by asweetcalamity on Oct 22, 2014 9:05:11 GMT -8
I'm a little surprised that many of you don't see that he is one of the reasons the Lakers are where they are at right now. He and the FO. Kobe's huge ego and his "it's my franchise" bs even though he is no longer that player, and the incompetence of the FO. I heard the Herd this morning, and I agree with him. I was actually hoping Kobe would retire. I loved what Kobe did and appreciate what he did, but that's over with now. Time to move on, but can't for a couple of more years. I'm a Lakers fan first, and Kobe fan second. But just have to live with it. We are talking about Kobe here, not the FO. Who in this thread is praising the FO? Be specific in your criticism. What specifically is Kobe doing to hurt the franchise more than help it? Let's assume Kobe never signed the extension and retired this past summer, like you wanted. What is your vision of how the Lakers would look now?
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Post by asweetcalamity on Oct 22, 2014 9:05:50 GMT -8
Bullshit. It may be a perspective but it is no way truth. Nah. It's true. Why respond to the general replies and not the specific takes earlier in the thread?
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Post by Fanofish on Oct 22, 2014 9:06:15 GMT -8
Pretty obvious what it's telling. And I'm pretty sure it told me the same thing it told you. All the fanboys are up in arms about this article. Sorry fellas. The truth hurts. Hey, here's another one...that's not from the purported hack Abbott: deadspin.com/anonymous-nba-agents-nobody-wants-to-play-with-kobe-br-16487252911) In 2004, Bryant was a free agent and threatened to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers before Shaq was traded to the Miami Heat. Jackson preferred Shaq to Kobe and wasn’t happy with the trade, which led to even more organizational tension. 2) The honeymoon for Bryant and Howard came to a quick end with a report in the New York Daily News that Howard had to be restrained from going after Bryant after the two engaged in a heated exchange following the Lakers' New Year's Day loss to the 76ers. The altercation between the two reportedly included Bryant's mentioning Shaquille O'Neal's critiques of Howard as a soft player. Howard has complained to the media about the Lakers' lack of chemistry, a criticism possibly targeted at Bryant. 3) Ramon Sessions was flourishing with Kobe being out and the ball in his hands. Breaking defenses down and was a double-double machine. Kobe comes back and immediately has Mike B change to the Princeton offense effectively rendering Sessions useless. That worked out fantastically. 4) THE CONTRACT. That nets Kobe as much as Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili combined makes it virtually impossible to compete. Comments like "why should he pass up the $?" are absurd. Answer - if he wanted to win he wouldn't have allowed little Jimmy to screw up the Lakers chances of competing for a championship before he retires. 5) Bynum - "Ship his [rear end] out. We're talking Jason Kidd," said Bryant. "They didn't want to do that. That's why we're in this [messed up] position." 6) It's too late, I'm gone - Bryant is approached with the query, "Please tell us you're staying!" His response: "Get a [Chicago] Bulls uniform fellas." And yes, Dwight did give up many guaranteed millions even with the state tax savings. 1) Revisionist history and not even in article. 2) Yeah, the truth hurt... for Dwight. But again that wasn't in the article. 3) Deer in the headlights Ramon Sessions? Yeah he was going to lead that team. More revisionist history and wasn't in the article. 4) Wasn't in the article. Abbott insinuated Lakers paid him all that money only because they knew they couldn't get anybody else with it. 5) Wasn't in the article but bringing up Bynum the way he did was a joke. 6) Not in article. I understand what's not in the article. My points were to complement the article since what's in the article is already known. No?
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Post by Fanofish on Oct 22, 2014 9:14:24 GMT -8
I'm a little surprised that many of you don't see that he is one of the reasons the Lakers are where they are at right now. He and the FO. Kobe's huge ego and his "it's my franchise" bs even though he is no longer that player, and the incompetence of the FO. I heard the Herd this morning, and I agree with him. I was actually hoping Kobe would retire. I loved what Kobe did and appreciate what he did, but that's over with now. Time to move on, but can't for a couple of more years. I'm a Lakers fan first, and Kobe fan second. But just have to live with it. We are talking about Kobe here, not the FO. Who in this thread is praising the FO? Be specific in your criticism. What specifically is Kobe doing to hurt the franchise more than help it? Let's assume Kobe never signed the extension and retired this past summer, like you wanted. What is your vision of how the Lakers would look now? But Kobe accepted the offer, right? He can think for himself, right? Pretty sure he knows Jimmy's effectiveness as the head of the Lakers franchise. The proof's in the pudding. That being said, I would submit he should've taken the Dirk/Duncan approach and take less so we could have a chance at success. Dirk has actually been vocal about his situation as compared to Kobe's. Kobe's not stupid. He knew that contract would doom the team. Sure, Jimmy said he would still be able to surround him with a competitive team despite the contract. But Kobe had to know better.
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Post by dyjon54 on Oct 22, 2014 9:35:31 GMT -8
We are talking about Kobe here, not the FO. Who in this thread is praising the FO? Be specific in your criticism. What specifically is Kobe doing to hurt the franchise more than help it? Let's assume Kobe never signed the extension and retired this past summer, like you wanted. What is your vision of how the Lakers would look now? But Kobe accepted the offer, right? He can think for himself, right? Pretty sure he knows Jimmy's effectiveness as the head of the Lakers franchise. The proof's in the pudding. That being said, I would submit he should've taken the Dirk/Duncan approach and take less so we could have a chance at success. Dirk has actually been vocal about his situation as compared to Kobe's. Kobe's not stupid. He knew that contract would doom the team. Sure, Jimmy said he would still be able to surround him with a competitive team despite the contract. But Kobe had to know better. Kobe's contract is not an issue at all. In fact Steve Nash is the one who is dooming us right now.
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Post by asweetcalamity on Oct 22, 2014 9:51:29 GMT -8
Kobe's contract and the argument over it is the reason we need cap reform. It makes thousandaire fans side with billionaire owners against millionaire athletes.
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Post by vintagekobe on Oct 22, 2014 10:16:48 GMT -8
Basically I hear a bunch of assholes mad Kobe won't retire. Stfu douchebags. I have to question the education of anyone who believes that pile of crap of an article wasn't just a piece written to smear kobe. Completely bias revisonist nonsense. How ESPN lets unprofessional garbage like that get published is shocking It's an old article that got released when Kobe said they were all idiots (after ranking him 40th). ESPN is extremely petty. So this is literally a reaction to Kobe's comments? How embarrassing. What a pathetic network
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Post by shaolinfighter on Oct 22, 2014 10:20:16 GMT -8
It's an old article that got released when Kobe said they were all idiots (after ranking him 40th). ESPN is extremely petty. So this is literally a reaction to Kobe's comments? How embarrassing. What a pathetic network Yup, Abbott was sitting on this "piece" for about a year but then Jim Buss gave Kobe that 48.5 mil extension which threw a wrench into his article so Abbot just revised/added since then. Kobe ranked 40th, called them a bunch of idiots and they call on Abbott to drop a deuce.
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Post by Fanofish on Oct 22, 2014 10:39:18 GMT -8
But Kobe accepted the offer, right? He can think for himself, right? Pretty sure he knows Jimmy's effectiveness as the head of the Lakers franchise. The proof's in the pudding. That being said, I would submit he should've taken the Dirk/Duncan approach and take less so we could have a chance at success. Dirk has actually been vocal about his situation as compared to Kobe's. Kobe's not stupid. He knew that contract would doom the team. Sure, Jimmy said he would still be able to surround him with a competitive team despite the contract. But Kobe had to know better. Kobe's contract is not an issue at all. In fact Steve Nash is the one who is dooming us right now.
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Post by history2b on Oct 22, 2014 11:00:56 GMT -8
Ramon Sessions was flourishing That statement alone is indicative the level of stupidity behind the writing. During the first month of Sessions tenure with the Lakers he averaged 14 pts, 7 ast on 55% fg while playing on a team with Kobe. Not to mention it was the first time in a long time that we had a pg that could break defenses down which isn't in the box score. I'm sorry but that's flourishing to me bro. Not to mention, I seem to recall you being quite pleased with him when he first came to the Lakers. Well, a few things... 1) we're taking about Ramon Sessions, a player who's never consistently flourished anywhere at any time in his career. Perhaps if you are focused on one month of an inconsistent players career as some kind of epiphanic moment of his greatness then you aren't as logical as you think. 2) Ramon struggled in the playoffs. Seems painfully obvious to me that the game changes in the playoffs, slows down, becomes more of a half court game etc. Maybe that was a factor. I don't think that's rocket science. When defenses tighten it typically becomes harder for the scrubs of the league to do what they were doing "in the regular season." If you don't know that or didn't see it before I recommend you pay more attention.
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Post by history2b on Oct 22, 2014 11:02:24 GMT -8
Bullshit. It may be a perspective but it is no way truth. Nah. It's true. If you're open to debating I'm all ready for ya. But if this is gonna be fanofish hit n run attack, then it's all good homie.
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Post by history2b on Oct 22, 2014 11:03:23 GMT -8
Kobe's contract is not an issue at all. In fact Steve Nash is the one who is dooming us right now. Who drafted the contract? Kobe?
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Post by asweetcalamity on Oct 22, 2014 11:24:40 GMT -8
Fish, if you don't want to answer the point-by-point criticism of the article, then let's speak more broadly:
Do you believe Abbot's piece is an earnest piece of journalism meant to get to the bottom of the Lakers' recent struggles? That he went in to writing the piece with an open mind as to what may be the cause of those troubles, and would have written about whatever he found? And that he reported each item in a manner consistent with his view of the truth and not to suit the narrative he wanted to convey?
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Post by dyjon54 on Oct 22, 2014 11:48:16 GMT -8
Kobe's contract is not an issue at all. In fact Steve Nash is the one who is dooming us right now. Were you paying attention this summer or nah?
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