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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 8:50:14 GMT -8
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 11, 2024 8:55:36 GMT -8
Yeah reportedly wanted him replaced with Phil Handy. I know Phil has been great at player development and he has been clamoring for a head coaching gig but not sure about his coaching chops as he has never been a head coach. If the report is true, seems some players trusted him at least more to be at the helm than they trust Ham. I always believed this was the only scenario if Ham was somehow fired mid-season, which I didn't think would happen.
We'll see what happens in the offseason.
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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 9:07:07 GMT -8
Yeah reportedly wanted him replaced with Phil Handy. I know Phil has been great at player development and he has been clamoring for a head coaching gig but not sure about his coaching chops as he has never been a head coach. If the report is true, seems some players trusted him at least more to be at the helm than they trust Ham. I always believed this was the only scenario if Ham was somehow fired mid-season, which I didn't think would happen. We'll see what happens in the offseason. Lose in the play in and he is as good as gone. |
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 11, 2024 10:21:37 GMT -8
I think he's already as good as gone barring a miracle finals/chip run. At least he should be imo.
The whole team mantra of the offseason and going into the season was Run it Back with the core that got us to the WCF with a few extra pieces plugged in around them. They signed Rui to starter money and Ham benched him until February even though Vando was injured from the get-go. He opted to favor Prince and Cam (over Rui and Reaves) for extended periods, both of which are not starters on winning teams. He benched DLo at one point. While DLo/Reaves/Rui have their defensive faults, since they've finally been inserted into the starting lineup together with AD and Bron we've started winning at a clip that would have had us outside of the play-in tournament if Ham had just done it from the get-go imo. He has left Max Christie completely out of the rotation (even played a rusty useless Cam over him against GSW again the other night) when Christie has shown he can contribute at least more than Cam. Cam has had like 3 decent games the entire season with a ton of opportunity given. I believe Max would have contributed more if given those opportunities.
He fumbled the rotation for large stretches of the season and now the chickens have come home to roost.
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Apr 11, 2024 11:16:21 GMT -8
Yeah he's gonna be gone but we aren't getting anywhere if Pelinka is still here too. I don't want him getting a third coaching hire. God I wish this franchise hadn't pushed Jerry West away.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 11, 2024 12:08:42 GMT -8
Yeah he's gonna be gone but we aren't getting anywhere if Pelinka is still here too. I don't want him getting a third coaching hire. God I wish this franchise hadn't pushed Jerry West away. Jerry brought us Shaq and Kobe and then left after Phil turned them into a dynasty. He hasn't brought any teams a championship since then but did still show he was great for a while. Could have gotten Riles back at some point but Miami was smart enough to give him power and lock him down and he has brought them 3 rings. Pelinka has shown he is good in many ways but also inexperienced and perhaps not strong enough in other ways. He is likely next on the chopping block if he has one more swing and miss. I think he should have stood his ground against Jeanie when it came to Caruso, just as Jerry West was willing to stand his ground against Dr Buss when needed. He was also perhaps not strong enough to override the begging for Westbrook by the Klutch mafia. And while one of his coaches did not completely fumble for a season and brought home a title, he has fumbled the coaching hires. Whether or not this is solely his decision or if Rambis has a part in it I'm not sure. The whole Mr and Mrs Rambis in power thing has never given me a good vibe tbh and that's on Jeanie. |
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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 13:25:04 GMT -8
Yeah he's gonna be gone but we aren't getting anywhere if Pelinka is still here too. I don't want him getting a third coaching hire. God I wish this franchise hadn't pushed Jerry West away. Pelinka got an extension last year before he even signed anybody. He’s going nowhere and I’m positive will never be fired by Jeanie. They are friends. She is in the friendship business. |
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Post by odogg on Apr 11, 2024 13:25:30 GMT -8
Ham is as good as gone this offseason. Even if we squeak out of the playin we will have Nuggets first round. RIP and a first round exit will not be tolerated with the team having stayed relatively healthy.
Rob is entrenched so he still has a bit of time.
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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 13:30:38 GMT -8
I think he's already as good as gone barring a miracle finals/chip run. At least he should be imo. The whole team mantra of the offseason and going into the season was Run it Back with the core that got us to the WCF with a few extra pieces plugged in around them. They signed Rui to starter money and Ham benched him until February even though Vando was injured from the get-go. He opted to favor Prince and Cam (over Rui and Reaves) for extended periods, both of which are not starters on winning teams. He benched DLo at one point. While DLo/Reaves/Rui have their defensive faults, since they've finally been inserted into the starting lineup together with AD and Bron we've started winning at a clip that would have had us outside of the play-in tournament if Ham had just done it from the get-go imo. He has left Max Christie completely out of the rotation (even played a rusty useless Cam over him against GSW again the other night) when Christie has shown he can contribute at least more than Cam. Cam has had like 3 decent games the entire season with a ton of opportunity given. I believe Max would have contributed more if given those opportunities. He fumbled the rotation for large stretches of the season and now the chickens have come home to roost. I’m 80% sure he’s gone regardless too but that pushback from Jeanie midseason makes me uncomfortable because it is indicative of things she cannot see. A leader who cannot see is like a boat without a sail; going nowhere. It pains me to say this but the Lakers will never pass the Celtics in rings. It was Jerry’s goal and Earvin and Kobe did their parts. Lebron and AD contributed to that end as well but mismanagement from top to bottom since 2020 has done us in. If the Celtics were floundering around as an organization right now I’d be disappointed but at peace knowing we’re in the same boat. But they aren’t. They’re poised to win at least 1 if not 2 in the next 3-4 years imo. Jeanie Buss is a failure, no ifs ands or buts about it. |
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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 13:31:45 GMT -8
Ham is as good as gone this offseason. Even if we squeak out of the playin we will have Nuggets first round. RIP and a first round exit will not be tolerated with the team having stayed relatively healthy. Rob is entrenched so he still has a bit of time. Rob doesn’t go away until Jeanie sells the team or he steps down on his own. |
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Post by odogg on Apr 11, 2024 15:19:59 GMT -8
I think he's already as good as gone barring a miracle finals/chip run. At least he should be imo. The whole team mantra of the offseason and going into the season was Run it Back with the core that got us to the WCF with a few extra pieces plugged in around them. They signed Rui to starter money and Ham benched him until February even though Vando was injured from the get-go. He opted to favor Prince and Cam (over Rui and Reaves) for extended periods, both of which are not starters on winning teams. He benched DLo at one point. While DLo/Reaves/Rui have their defensive faults, since they've finally been inserted into the starting lineup together with AD and Bron we've started winning at a clip that would have had us outside of the play-in tournament if Ham had just done it from the get-go imo. He has left Max Christie completely out of the rotation (even played a rusty useless Cam over him against GSW again the other night) when Christie has shown he can contribute at least more than Cam. Cam has had like 3 decent games the entire season with a ton of opportunity given. I believe Max would have contributed more if given those opportunities. He fumbled the rotation for large stretches of the season and now the chickens have come home to roost. I’m 80% sure he’s gone regardless too but that pushback from Jeanie midseason makes me uncomfortable because it is indicative of things she cannot see. A leader who cannot see is like a boat without a sail; going nowhere. It pains me to say this but the Lakers will never pass the Celtics in rings. It was Jerry’s goal and Earvin and Kobe did their parts. Lebron and AD contributed to that end as well but mismanagement from top to bottom since 2020 has done us in. If the Celtics were floundering around as an organization right now I’d be disappointed but at peace knowing we’re in the same boat. But they aren’t. They’re poised to win at least 1 if not 2 in the next 3-4 years imo. Jeanie Buss is a failure, no ifs ands or buts about it. I am not convinced this Cs team will win one. They have had a pretty acute choke factor in the playoffs. And Joker ain't going anywhere. |
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Apr 11, 2024 15:43:43 GMT -8
Just so we are clear I blame Pelinka for a lot of things
- He massively overpaid for AD when he was an expiring contract and was bidding against himself and no one else
- was the GM for the brain dead Muscala/Zubac trade
- Part of the management that bungled the Ty Lue hire
- Let Kawhi Leonard play him like a fiddle
- Let Dwight walk after the championship season because he took too long to accept their MINIMUM offer
- Westbrook trade for KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and also led to
- letting Caruso walk and also that trade led to
- using like 7 roster spots to sign washed up minimum salary bums like Trevor Ariza, Wesley Matthews, Kent Bazemore and whoever the fuck else was old and didn't play defense and would never work with Vogel coaching.
- Let Schroder walk who ended up signing for the minimum (first time)
- Hired Darvin Ham
- Kendrick Nunn signing
- Gabe Vincent signing based on like 10 good playoff games
- Did little to nothing to address the Lakers rebounding problem that cost the Lakers any chance vs Denver in the playoffs including not acquiring a competent big man to coexist and relieve Anthony Davis
- overruled Lakers scouts and drafted JHS over Whitmore.
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Post by odogg on Apr 11, 2024 16:20:54 GMT -8
Just so we are clear I blame Pelinka for a lot of things - He massively overpaid for AD when he was an expiring contract and was bidding against himself and no one else - was the GM for the brain dead Muscala/Zubac trade - Part of the management that bungled the Ty Lue hire - Let Kawhi Leonard play him like a fiddle - Let Dwight walk after the championship season because he took too long to accept their MINIMUM offer - Westbrook trade for KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and also led to - letting Caruso walk and also that trade led to - using like 7 roster spots to sign washed up minimum salary bums like Trevor Ariza, Wesley Matthews, Kent Bazemore and whoever the fuck else was old and didn't play defense and would never work with Vogel coaching. - Let Schroder walk who ended up signing for the minimum (first time) - Hired Darvin Ham - Kendrick Nunn signing - Gabe Vincent signing based on like 10 good playoff games - Did little to nothing to address the Lakers rebounding problem that cost the Lakers any chance vs Denver in the playoffs including not acquiring a competent big man to coexist and relieve Anthony Davis - overruled Lakers scouts and drafted JHS over Whitmore. Damn, when you list it out in detail it looks pretty bad. But how much of this is from being LeGM's puppet? |
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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 17:19:41 GMT -8
Just so we are clear I blame Pelinka for a lot of things - He massively overpaid for AD when he was an expiring contract and was bidding against himself and no one else - was the GM for the brain dead Muscala/Zubac trade - Part of the management that bungled the Ty Lue hire - Let Kawhi Leonard play him like a fiddle - Let Dwight walk after the championship season because he took too long to accept their MINIMUM offer - Westbrook trade for KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and also led to - letting Caruso walk and also that trade led to - using like 7 roster spots to sign washed up minimum salary bums like Trevor Ariza, Wesley Matthews, Kent Bazemore and whoever the fuck else was old and didn't play defense and would never work with Vogel coaching. - Let Schroder walk who ended up signing for the minimum (first time) - Hired Darvin Ham - Kendrick Nunn signing - Gabe Vincent signing based on like 10 good playoff games - Did little to nothing to address the Lakers rebounding problem that cost the Lakers any chance vs Denver in the playoffs including not acquiring a competent big man to coexist and relieve Anthony Davis - overruled Lakers scouts and drafted JHS over Whitmore. Massively overpaid for AD? Nonsense. What exactly do you do when the same deal was vetoed by NO 3 months earlier? Take away pieces and say just give him to me he wants to come here? The business of the NBA does not work that way. He got the deal done, it was a reasonable albeit high price for generational talent. We got a ring and you can take that ring away if you think playing hard ball with NO for 9 more months just spare 1 more draft pick would have been better because then you start the season without AD and all the chips fall another way. We cashed in on Lonzo at his peak value before he became a cripple that is big in itself. Moreover unloading all the players under contract save for 1 modest rookie scale deal was necessary to make room for the run at Kawhi. In hindsight the only move that would have been better is keeping Josh Hart over Kuz, as he is a perfect role player for the modern game. Letting Caruso walk was a fireable offense all on its own. Among the dumbest moves in franchise history in my book. |
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Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Apr 11, 2024 17:45:44 GMT -8
Just so we are clear I blame Pelinka for a lot of things - He massively overpaid for AD when he was an expiring contract and was bidding against himself and no one else - was the GM for the brain dead Muscala/Zubac trade - Part of the management that bungled the Ty Lue hire - Let Kawhi Leonard play him like a fiddle - Let Dwight walk after the championship season because he took too long to accept their MINIMUM offer - Westbrook trade for KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and also led to - letting Caruso walk and also that trade led to - using like 7 roster spots to sign washed up minimum salary bums like Trevor Ariza, Wesley Matthews, Kent Bazemore and whoever the fuck else was old and didn't play defense and would never work with Vogel coaching. - Let Schroder walk who ended up signing for the minimum (first time) - Hired Darvin Ham - Kendrick Nunn signing - Gabe Vincent signing based on like 10 good playoff games - Did little to nothing to address the Lakers rebounding problem that cost the Lakers any chance vs Denver in the playoffs including not acquiring a competent big man to coexist and relieve Anthony Davis - overruled Lakers scouts and drafted JHS over Whitmore. Massively overpaid for AD? Nonsense. What exactly do you do when the same deal was vetoed by NO 3 months earlier? Take away pieces and say just give him to me he wants to come here? The business of the NBA does not work that way. He got the deal done, it was a reasonable albeit high price for generational talent. We got a ring and you can take that ring away if you think playing hard ball with NO for 9 more months just spare 1 more draft pick would have been better because then you start the season without AD and all the chips fall another way. We cashed in on Lonzo at his peak value before he became a cripple that is big in itself. Moreover unloading all the players under contract save for 1 modest rookie scale deal was necessary to make room for the run at Kawhi. In hindsight the only move that would have been better is keeping Josh Hart over Kuz, as he is a perfect role player for the modern game. Letting Caruso walk was a fireable offense all on its own. Among the dumbest moves in franchise history in my book. the player compensation was fine. Trade should not have been more than Lonzo, BI, Hart, and the #4 pick. They shouldn't have gotten future pick swaps and sure as hell shouldn't have gotten 2 more first round picks, not for an expiring contract that refused to play for them or anyone else. He could have at least played a little bit of hard ball and given up like 80% of the Lakers assets instead of 95% of them. |
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Post by lakeshow on Apr 11, 2024 18:59:51 GMT -8
Lakers will lose in the play-in.
When there are reports coming out like this about the coach now, trust has been lost (not that it wasn't lost a long time ago) it only takes away the focus on winning and puts the focus on next season. It also doesn't help that we're limping into the play-in as well.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 11, 2024 19:34:58 GMT -8
Massively overpaid for AD? Nonsense. What exactly do you do when the same deal was vetoed by NO 3 months earlier? Take away pieces and say just give him to me he wants to come here? The business of the NBA does not work that way. He got the deal done, it was a reasonable albeit high price for generational talent. We got a ring and you can take that ring away if you think playing hard ball with NO for 9 more months just spare 1 more draft pick would have been better because then you start the season without AD and all the chips fall another way. We cashed in on Lonzo at his peak value before he became a cripple that is big in itself. Moreover unloading all the players under contract save for 1 modest rookie scale deal was necessary to make room for the run at Kawhi. In hindsight the only move that would have been better is keeping Josh Hart over Kuz, as he is a perfect role player for the modern game. Letting Caruso walk was a fireable offense all on its own. Among the dumbest moves in franchise history in my book. the player compensation was fine. Trade should not have been more than Lonzo, BI, Hart, and the #4 pick. They shouldn't have gotten future pick swaps and sure as hell shouldn't have gotten 2 more first round picks, not for an expiring contract that refused to play for them or anyone else. He could have at least played a little bit of hard ball and given up like 80% of the Lakers assets instead of 95% of them. Complain all you want about the handling of the roster AFTER the 2020 championship season. But the roster construction was pretty much a chefs kiss from the Davis trade until then. That team had it all and only needed about half a season to put it all together. And right before Covid hit it was clear to me nobody was stopping them. Rondo, Caruso, KCP, Kuzma, Dwight, Morris, Javale, Danny Green, Dudley, Lebron, AD? Didn't even need Avery Bradley in the playoffs with that roster. The stars performed as they should and the others all had their needed moments. |
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Post by shaolinfighter on Apr 11, 2024 19:37:49 GMT -8
Lakers will lose in the play-in. When there are reports coming out like this about the coach now, trust has been lost (not that it wasn't lost a long time ago) it only takes away the focus on winning and puts the focus on next season. It also doesn't help that we're limping into the play-in as well. I wouldn't be shocked. Definitely could have avoided living and dying with every game down the stretch of the reg season. That was part of what killed them last season and somehow they are even worse this season - instead of fighting for the 7th seed they're likely going to finish 10th and would need things to break their way just to finish 9th. |
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Post by history2b on Apr 11, 2024 20:15:32 GMT -8
Massively overpaid for AD? Nonsense. What exactly do you do when the same deal was vetoed by NO 3 months earlier? Take away pieces and say just give him to me he wants to come here? The business of the NBA does not work that way. He got the deal done, it was a reasonable albeit high price for generational talent. We got a ring and you can take that ring away if you think playing hard ball with NO for 9 more months just spare 1 more draft pick would have been better because then you start the season without AD and all the chips fall another way. We cashed in on Lonzo at his peak value before he became a cripple that is big in itself. Moreover unloading all the players under contract save for 1 modest rookie scale deal was necessary to make room for the run at Kawhi. In hindsight the only move that would have been better is keeping Josh Hart over Kuz, as he is a perfect role player for the modern game. Letting Caruso walk was a fireable offense all on its own. Among the dumbest moves in franchise history in my book. the player compensation was fine. Trade should not have been more than Lonzo, BI, Hart, and the #4 pick. They shouldn't have gotten future pick swaps and sure as hell shouldn't have gotten 2 more first round picks, not for an expiring contract that refused to play for them or anyone else. He could have at least played a little bit of hard ball and given up like 80% of the Lakers assets instead of 95% of them. All within the ticking timeframe of making room for another max player for the July 1st deadline? Bullshit. That’s video game fanboy fantasyland hindsight talk. I get that we’re all frustrated but the AD trade was a win. The new NO GM could have dragged his feet just long enough to fuck us in free agency. I know Kawhi fucked us because he chose to / wanted to, but Rob rebounded from that debacle well making good use of the funds immediately after. None of that comes to fruition the same way if we start playing around with the AD deal. Of the picks we lost what player was going to make a difference on our team anyway? At the end of the day I’ll take a ring over draft assets any day. Lakers 17 ships >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OKCs 42 future first picks |
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Post by hackashaq on Apr 12, 2024 18:34:00 GMT -8
I'm puzzled how we've been so bad at hiring coaches since Phil left. You would think you'd have a better shot just throwing darts at a wall full of coaches' names.
I think it's indicative of an owner and a GM beholden to that owner that us paranoid of hiring a coach that is an independent and strong mind.
They want control, not competence. It's a similar situation with the Dodgers and Dave Roberts. So much talent for so long leading to nothing.
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