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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jul 9, 2022 17:47:21 GMT -8
We’ll just have to vote on it!
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Post by hackashaq on Jul 10, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -8
We’ll just have to vote on it! WE DID, and McConnell refused to appoint Garland when Obama clearly had the right to do so. This is what the conservatives are nowadays. One step away from granting fascist powers to a new Trump, if that happens again. Look at the potential Republican candidates outside of Trump. Tell me there is a rational person in that group.
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Post by hackashaq on Jul 10, 2022 11:54:04 GMT -8
We’ll just have to vote on it! And have you been listening to the Jan 6 hearings?!? This was a coup led from the top. States are appointing election deniers and primaries have a bunch of Republican election deniers on the ballot. You say we should “vote”. Fine, then don’t go home crying with conspiracy theories about stolen elections. And give the President the right to choose his judges as the Constitution allows.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jul 10, 2022 15:24:24 GMT -8
We’ll just have to vote on it! And have you been listening to the Jan 6 hearings?!? This was a coup led from the top. States are appointing election deniers and primaries have a bunch of Republican election deniers on the ballot. You say we should “vote”. Fine, then don’t go home crying with conspiracy theories about stolen elections. And give the President the right to choose his judges as the Constitution allows. No, I have not been watching the hearings. Yes, Biden was elected POTUS. He will be a 1 term POTUS.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jul 20, 2022 17:12:12 GMT -8
Damn. Biden said he has cancer!
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 20, 2022 19:24:24 GMT -8
Damn. Biden said he has cancer! Link? I see no news about this. If you’re trolling this is weak.
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Post by samadams10 on Jul 21, 2022 7:55:31 GMT -8
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 21, 2022 8:22:50 GMT -8
Ok, but a gaffe is not the same as purposefully putting out a misleading statement because you don’t like somebody which is what the resident troll was trying to do. That has nothing to do with politics.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jul 21, 2022 8:38:20 GMT -8
Ok, but a gaffe is not the same as purposefully putting out a misleading statement because you don’t like somebody which is what the resident troll was trying to do. That has nothing to do with politics. I heard him say he had cancer. I thought he made a true statement. Now, people are saying he had a senile moment and made a gaffe! I don't know what to believe when something comes out of his mouth.
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Post by samadams10 on Jul 21, 2022 8:52:56 GMT -8
Ok, but a gaffe is not the same as purposefully putting out a misleading statement because you don’t like somebody which is what the resident troll was trying to do. That has nothing to do with politics. Brother the other side will pick on it. Both sides do this.
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Post by lakerfan1980 on Jul 21, 2022 11:05:37 GMT -8
Biden was around a lot of people Tuesday and Wednesday. They'll have to get the contact tracing results to see how many people he infected.
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Post by samadams10 on Jul 21, 2022 12:48:58 GMT -8
Maybe he infected Mohammed bin salman
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Post by history2b on Jul 21, 2022 14:25:50 GMT -8
Biden made a gaffe… yawn.
To pretend this sort of stuff is “politics” is exactly why Americans are the stupidest people on earth.
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Post by samadams10 on Jul 21, 2022 14:41:50 GMT -8
Biden made a gaffe… yawn. To pretend this sort of stuff is “politics” is exactly why Americans are the stupidest people on earth. Lol. I'm worried about his mental state post Covid. Hes a frail old man who falls off bikes and trips on AF one steps and was seriously gaffe prone pre Covid. What's his cognitive and physical state be like post? Kamala Harris be like
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Post by history2b on Jul 21, 2022 15:34:02 GMT -8
Biden made a gaffe… yawn. To pretend this sort of stuff is “politics” is exactly why Americans are the stupidest people on earth. Lol. I'm worried about his mental state post Covid. Hes a frail old man who falls off bikes and trips on AF one steps and was seriously gaffe prone pre Covid. What's his cognitive and physical state be like post? Kamala Harris be like He most definitely should not run in 2024. He was panned by true left progressives for his age and mental state in the fall of 2019 but the Centrists told everyone to pipe down and then pandered to the East coast moderates and won the primaries. So now, sure he makes gaffes because he’s old af. But focusing on the gaffes as some sorta “gotcha” isn’t politics. We aren’t in the position we’re in because Biden is old and says senile things. Ronald Reagan has him beat in that regard by a mile. We’re in the position we’re in because the institutions give an option between shit sandwich and licking Trump’s asshole clean with your tongue for sustenance.
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Post by hackashaq on Jul 21, 2022 18:11:53 GMT -8
I disagree. If Biden does not run, the chaos in the Democratic Party will just allow a right wing Trump nut to get into power. There is no viable candidate right now that could naturally step into the role.
The fact is that a President is only as good as his aides and advisors of which he has very few if any. Reagan stayed in power for 8 years, 4 of which I’m positive he was suffering from dementia. But the people around him kept it together.
Remember Bush II and 9/11? Who knows what would have happened if his aides and military advisors didn’t step in while he sat frozen in front of some school children.
Biden’s confidantes are not doing him any favors putting him in situations where he does not thrive.
The real issue is the Democratic Party’s inability to pass their agendas because they continually cater to representatives in deeply red states that are Democrats in name only but really espouse Republican ideologies. This is why their agendas fail, and they look like losers and fail to motivate even their own voters.
Lyndon Johnson was really a red state conservative. But he was able to pass some progressive initiatives through gile and sometimes force (or threat). Whatever it took.
It began with Clinton trying to walk the tightrope of corporate interests and progressive goals, all the while not realizing this is not really possible. Since then, this constant pandering is just diluting the possibilities and pushing and goading the right to turn into a neo-fascist organization that is really hell bent on dictatorship.
I don’t know man. Every empire falls. How they fall are almost always due to internal strain and corruption. I fear for where this is all headed, but if enough Republicans elect election conspiracist and right wing blow hard, there will be no reasonable people left to stop them.
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Post by history2b on Jul 21, 2022 19:17:36 GMT -8
I disagree. If Biden does not run, the chaos in the Democratic Party will just allow a right wing Trump nut to get into power. There is no viable candidate right now that could naturally step into the role. The fact is that a President is only as good as his aides and advisors of which he has very few if any. Reagan stayed in power for 8 years, 4 of which I’m positive he was suffering from dementia. But the people around him kept it together. Remember Bush II and 9/11? Who knows what would have happened if his aides and military advisors didn’t step in while he sat frozen in front of some school children. Biden’s confidantes are not doing him any favors putting him in situations where he does not thrive. The real issue is the Democratic Party’s inability to pass their agendas because they continually cater to representatives in deeply red states that are Democrats in name only but really espouse Republican ideologies. This is why their agendas fail, and they look like losers and fail to motivate even their own voters. Lyndon Johnson was really a red state conservative. But he was able to pass some progressive initiatives through gile and sometimes force (or threat). Whatever it took. It began with Clinton trying to walk the tightrope of corporate interests and progressive goals, all the while not realizing this is not really possible. Since then, this constant pandering is just diluting the possibilities and pushing and goading the right to turn into a neo-fascist organization that is really hell bent on dictatorship. I don’t know man. Every empire falls. How they fall are almost always due to internal strain and corruption. I fear for where this is all headed, but if enough Republicans elect election conspiracist and right wing blow hard, there will be no reasonable people left to stop them. On your first point about Biden not running = chaos, I vehemently disagree. What you’re insinuating is that if we don’t allow a party machine to prop a puppet with dimentia and support him the way the hordes of morons support Trump then all hell will break loose. That, for sure, makes us no better than them. Most everything else, I concur and great point about Clinton and how his concessions led to the party’s move in an incompetent middle ground. The same was true of Obama but he was such a great speaker and thoughtful politician he navigated better than anyone else. But he was owned by Goldman Sachs. I think it’s important to understand that while Red state propaganda is a huge reason why people in those states are under the spell of fascism, the Democratic Party does no favors by engaging in culture wars as a political platform. People want jobs and healthcare, simple as that. Keep making concessions to Wall Street and the Insurance industry mafia and nothing will change except an increasing number of defected voters who get swooned by the pied piper. So long as the “left” in America remains a far right party by international standards, the Empire will continue to cannibalize itself with increasing internal militarism, the figurative chickens coming home to roost.
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Post by samadams10 on Jul 23, 2022 18:00:38 GMT -8
I kinda agree that Dems will belly up if they force Biden out for 2024. They're already fucked as it is. Things are not exactly going well and the party is already decided. And no San Francisco liberal newsom nuisance is not going to save them either. D's had a chance but they blew it.
Bidens worst deed is trying to appease trump's base and in the process is losing his own base. This ain't the bipartisan era of the 70s.
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Post by history2b on Jul 23, 2022 18:22:16 GMT -8
I kinda agree that Dems will belly up if they force Biden out for 2024. They're already fucked as it is. Things are not exactly going well and the party is already decided. And no San Francisco liberal newsom nuisance is not going to save them either. D's had a chance but they blew it. Bidens worst deed is trying to appease trump's base and in the process is losing his own base. This ain't the bipartisan era of the 70s. Why? I didn’t understand hack saying so but neither of you gave a reason why. If it’s just because the other side is successfully manipulating public opinion on Dems, then that in itself is THE problem with US politics. You don’t get solutions. You don’t get improvements. Just round and round on an endless spin cycle in totalitarian control. I agree Newsom is not a good candidate, even if he is a younger slicker politician. He’s no savior by any means and unfortunately vulnerable from a national politics perspective. Beto O’Rouke would be a better candidate. Pete Buttigieg is also a better candidate than Joe Biden. Kamala Harris, definitely not.
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Post by samadams10 on Jul 23, 2022 21:19:17 GMT -8
I kinda agree that Dems will belly up if they force Biden out for 2024. They're already fucked as it is. Things are not exactly going well and the party is already decided. And no San Francisco liberal newsom nuisance is not going to save them either. D's had a chance but they blew it. Bidens worst deed is trying to appease trump's base and in the process is losing his own base. This ain't the bipartisan era of the 70s. Why? I didn’t understand hack saying so but neither of you gave a reason why. If it’s just because the other side is successfully manipulating public opinion on Dems, then that in itself is THE problem with US politics. You don’t get solutions. You don’t get improvements. Just round and round on an endless spin cycle in totalitarian control. I agree Newsom is not a good candidate, even if he is a younger slicker politician. He’s no savior by any means and unfortunately vulnerable from a national politics perspective. Beto O’Rouke would be a better candidate. Pete Buttigieg is also a better candidate than Joe Biden. Kamala Harris, definitely not. Best reason I can give is instability within an already fragmented party. The other side sucks for sure but D's don't have anything better than saying the other side is bad.
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