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Post by Fanofish on Sept 8, 2022 15:44:00 GMT -8
Yeah, I’m the keyboard tough guy here. Lmao I hope you’re having a good day. Breathe and keep calm brother. Just breathe and keep calm. Practice what you preach Fish. I am brotha. Doing just fine thank you. Fwiw - I have never been an “A” poster here. At least by some. So that hasn’t changed. And my heart is broken that H thinks I’m not tough like him. Truly broke up about it. Lmao
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 16:12:21 GMT -8
Practice what you preach Fish. I am brotha. Doing just fine thank you. Fwiw - I have never been an “A” poster here. At least by some. So that hasn’t changed. And my heart is broken that H thinks I’m not tough like him. Truly broke up about it. Lmao Here's a Kleenex bro
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 16:14:31 GMT -8
And as I have responded over and over again, if we keep giving them a pass by making excuses for them, then they win. He has presided over more Covid deaths than any other developed nation on the last year. Fuck him he did not fulfil his primary job which is to protect his populace after regularly dumping on orange face throughout the campaign for Covid deaths. He said it's painful for families to see empty seats at Dunkin g tables and Trump hadn't done enough. So why the fuck is he giving himself a pass? He said science will dictate his policy yet he's beholden to big business instead of human lives. Fuck that and dementia Joe can take his wrinkly ass back to Delaware in 2024. I don't know who's making excuses for who and that's irrelevant to me. Because regardless of who would be in office, you would be seeing and saying the same thing Sam. The death rate of Covid is a by product of everything you and 2b have been saying Sam--which runs way deeper than Biden. A pass? Every president gives themselves a pass Sam. Trump was the worst at that! I'd just rather deal in reality, not in what should be. Basically what you're saying is it is what it is. Other countries are better at the death rate than us but we are Murica, we are still the best. I got news - we are the worst at this. And your avawer is that's who we are and there's nothing nobody can do about it. Well as a citizen and a voter, I reject that premise and all the relevant are excuses that go along with that bullshit.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 16:16:43 GMT -8
I'd like to understand why debt forgiveness is a good thing. Why not go after the ridiculously high price of education and make more options available for government subsidized higher education similar to k-12? Where does debt forgiveness stop? Only for student loans? The Collegiate System has been fleecing the public for decades. Overpriced tuition. Overpriced books. Overpriced Housing. If the government really wanted to impress me, they would pay back every cent paid in student loans since 1980, waive all current debt and nationalize State Funded Colleges. Private colleges can still go their own way, but text book companies need to be regulated big time and have to justify why they believe a "new edition" needs to be released. Also the massive kickback to professors to use unnecessary "New Edition" books needs to be stopped as well. Its a huge scam that needs to end. I agree. Which is why I'm not bought into this patch job of excusing debt for pennies on the dollar for a small fraction of the populace that has suffered through ridiculously inflated cost of education for decades. Doesn't make sense to me and he's just a drop in the bucket again cowering to Democratic party pressure as there's an election coming up. Go F yourself fkin thugs.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 16:19:36 GMT -8
I'd like to understand why debt forgiveness is a good thing. Why not go after the ridiculously high price of education and make more options available for government subsidized higher education similar to k-12? Where does debt forgiveness stop? Only for student loans? It makes sense because the idea of monetizing education (like healthcare) is a terrible policy decision that has had catastrophic effects on tens of thousands of students. When Reagan started the wheels in motion to create a borrowers market to “afford” and education, students were put in a situation to borrow less than 10k to get a 4 year degree. By 2000 that number grew to almost 50k and by 2020 nearly 100k. In short, the “market” created an unending cost increasing scenario for all students (just like healthcare), which forced prospective borrowers take out larger and larger loans. It should be obvious why that setup is criminal to impose on a society but since this dumbfuck America where anything large wealth enacts on society, people simply accept it then question why anything should change. But college is entirely free in various European countries on the basis that an educated populace produces a more valuable well rounded population… you know the antithesis of American policy. So getting back to why the loans should be forgiven, because loans are forgiven all the time, every week, month, year and in every country in the world. Billions and billions of PPP loans were forgiven in the past couple of years and not so much as peep about why that should have happened by media. For anyone who thinks it’s “unfair” that tax dollars are being used to forgive students loans, it is also “unfair” that someone without children pays taxes that go towards public schools, unfair that someone against war pays taxes towards missiles and bombs, it’s unfair Trump gave 4 trillion bailout to corporations after the crash of 2020, etc etc. The list could go on and on with dozens more examples. When working people get a bailout it’s a good thing and in terms of economics they take the money that would have gone on to pay a hedge fund 20k in repayments with interest, they can now go and spend that money in more useful sectors of rhe economy. That’s how you stimulate the market. I agree with all this but realistically they cannot possibly make everyone even that needs to be made whole. There will probably be resentment in the voter base to do this for a select few and that too a drop in the bucket. This needs to be tackled at the source for both education and healthcare which should be treated as a tax payer funded human right available to all citizens. Not some fkin band aid three months before an election.
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Post by history2b on Sept 8, 2022 16:31:29 GMT -8
It makes sense because the idea of monetizing education (like healthcare) is a terrible policy decision that has had catastrophic effects on tens of thousands of students. When Reagan started the wheels in motion to create a borrowers market to “afford” and education, students were put in a situation to borrow less than 10k to get a 4 year degree. By 2000 that number grew to almost 50k and by 2020 nearly 100k. In short, the “market” created an unending cost increasing scenario for all students (just like healthcare), which forced prospective borrowers take out larger and larger loans. It should be obvious why that setup is criminal to impose on a society but since this dumbfuck America where anything large wealth enacts on society, people simply accept it then question why anything should change. But college is entirely free in various European countries on the basis that an educated populace produces a more valuable well rounded population… you know the antithesis of American policy. So getting back to why the loans should be forgiven, because loans are forgiven all the time, every week, month, year and in every country in the world. Billions and billions of PPP loans were forgiven in the past couple of years and not so much as peep about why that should have happened by media. For anyone who thinks it’s “unfair” that tax dollars are being used to forgive students loans, it is also “unfair” that someone without children pays taxes that go towards public schools, unfair that someone against war pays taxes towards missiles and bombs, it’s unfair Trump gave 4 trillion bailout to corporations after the crash of 2020, etc etc. The list could go on and on with dozens more examples. When working people get a bailout it’s a good thing and in terms of economics they take the money that would have gone on to pay a hedge fund 20k in repayments with interest, they can now go and spend that money in more useful sectors of rhe economy. That’s how you stimulate the market. I agree with all this but realistically they cannot possibly make everyone even that needs to be made whole. There will probably be resentment in the voter base to do this for a select few and that too a drop in the bucket. This needs to be tackled at the source for both education and healthcare which should be treated as a tax payer funded human right available to all citizens. Not some fkin band aid three months before an election. I agree the move is politicking but I’m still in favor of any concessions that get made for working class Americans regardless of how much resentment the right manufactures over this move. Like Republicrat Joe Manchin calling 10k relief “excessive.” Lol, 10k?? That’s less than 1 semester of tuition at virtually every private school in America today. That cuck works for the corporations that have large holdings (in the trillions of dollars) on debt. You bring up a good point about whether society should be organized around debt peonage. In America it largely is and increasingly so as time goes on. Inflation on educational costs has far exceeded the rate of inflation overall (again just like healthcare). The backlash against this organization is strong but it’s parsed into the “what about me crowd.” Biden’s plan doesn’t do a damn thing for me but I support it because support these causes is how we will lead to a greater consciousness that we are on the same team and it’s in our interest not to fight each other. We have to fight the bigger enemy together.
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Post by lakeshow on Sept 8, 2022 17:25:25 GMT -8
I don't know who's making excuses for who and that's irrelevant to me. Because regardless of who would be in office, you would be seeing and saying the same thing Sam. The death rate of Covid is a by product of everything you and 2b have been saying Sam--which runs way deeper than Biden. A pass? Every president gives themselves a pass Sam. Trump was the worst at that! I'd just rather deal in reality, not in what should be. Basically what you're saying is it is what it is. Other countries are better at the death rate than us but we are Murica, we are still the best. I got news - we are the worst at this. And your avawer is that's who we are and there's nothing nobody can do about it. Well as a citizen and a voter, I reject that premise and all the relevant are excuses that go along with that bullshit. Yes--I am saying it is what it is and that is not to say that I am cool with people dying needlessly. I never said that I disagree with the basic premise of your argument. I'm just saying that the problem goes much deeper than your gripe with Biden. Nor did I ever suggest that we should all just sit back and ignore our civic duties as citizens. Certainly, there are issues that should be addressed and that we should hold politicians accountable for. But I find it a complete waste of time to blame the wrong things or people when I know they are not the source of the solution. I know you disagree with me on this and that's fine, but there's really not much else I can say on this topic, so I'm done with it.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 9, 2022 6:39:46 GMT -8
Basically what you're saying is it is what it is. Other countries are better at the death rate than us but we are Murica, we are still the best. I got news - we are the worst at this. And your avawer is that's who we are and there's nothing nobody can do about it. Well as a citizen and a voter, I reject that premise and all the relevant are excuses that go along with that bullshit. Yes--I am saying it is what it is and that is not to say that I am cool with people dying needlessly. I never said that I disagree with the basic premise of your argument. I'm just saying that the problem goes much deeper than your gripe with Biden. Nor did I ever suggest that we should all just sit back and ignore our civic duties as citizens. Certainly, there are issues that should be addressed and that we should hold politicians accountable for. But I find it a complete waste of time to blame the wrong things or people when I know they are not the source of the solution. I know you disagree with me on this and that's fine, but there's really not much else I can say on this topic, so I'm done with it. Yes we can never see eye to eye on this. But I'm sad that people with your level of intelligence are willing to accept "It is what it is" and there's nothing that leaders in the highest rungs of power in our government of supposedly most powerful nation on earth can do about it. Most powerful nation that cannot protect it's people from the plague. Unfortunately you cannot separate caring about health and lives from it is what it is when it comes to covid. We spend trillions on weapons of war to protect ourselves but we turn our back on disease. It is what it is.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 9, 2022 6:46:04 GMT -8
I agree with all this but realistically they cannot possibly make everyone even that needs to be made whole. There will probably be resentment in the voter base to do this for a select few and that too a drop in the bucket. This needs to be tackled at the source for both education and healthcare which should be treated as a tax payer funded human right available to all citizens. Not some fkin band aid three months before an election. I agree the move is politicking but I’m still in favor of any concessions that get made for working class Americans regardless of how much resentment the right manufactures over this move. Like Republicrat Joe Manchin calling 10k relief “excessive.” Lol, 10k?? That’s less than 1 semester of tuition at virtually every private school in America today. That cuck works for the corporations that have large holdings (in the trillions of dollars) on debt. You bring up a good point about whether society should be organized around debt peonage. In America it largely is and increasingly so as time goes on. Inflation on educational costs has far exceeded the rate of inflation overall (again just like healthcare). The backlash against this organization is strong but it’s parsed into the “what about me crowd.” Biden’s plan doesn’t do a damn thing for me but I support it because support these causes is how we will lead to a greater consciousness that we are on the same team and it’s in our interest not to fight each other. We have to fight the bigger enemy together. I'm highly skeptical that we will ever be on the same team in this nation. If we can't unite against the plague, these issues such as healthcare, education etc are inherently divisive. Politics has become all about dividing and conquering and these wedges are constantly stress tested to win the next election. Plus the wealthy control it all too much with lobbying and politicians in their pockets.
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Post by lakeshow on Sept 9, 2022 8:36:09 GMT -8
Yes--I am saying it is what it is and that is not to say that I am cool with people dying needlessly. I never said that I disagree with the basic premise of your argument. I'm just saying that the problem goes much deeper than your gripe with Biden. Nor did I ever suggest that we should all just sit back and ignore our civic duties as citizens. Certainly, there are issues that should be addressed and that we should hold politicians accountable for. But I find it a complete waste of time to blame the wrong things or people when I know they are not the source of the solution. I know you disagree with me on this and that's fine, but there's really not much else I can say on this topic, so I'm done with it. Yes we can never see eye to eye on this. But I'm sad that people with your level of intelligence are willing to accept "It is what it is" and there's nothing that leaders in the highest rungs of power in our government of supposedly most powerful nation on earth can do about it. Most powerful nation that cannot protect it's people from the plague. Unfortunately you cannot separate caring about health and lives from it is what it is when it comes to covid. We spend trillions on weapons of war to protect ourselves but we turn our back on disease. It is what it is. You are still misunderstanding my point. I never said it's a matter of we "can't" solve crisis' it's a matter of not having the courage to make decisions that are in the best interest of the whole because the pull of politics and profit are just that strong on both a macro economic and political level. It is unfortunate that we as one of the most powerful and wealthiest nations on earth (we're not the most powerful nation at this point) cannot solve some of these major crises. And it is because politics and profit has gotten in the way. I never said it's a matter of can't, but a matter of choice by the most powerful and wealthy because doing what's in the best interest of the whole means they will have something to lose. We do spend trillions of dollars on weapons as you said, but is it really for defense? Or is it to put millions in the pockets of the executives of defense companies who have government contracts to manufacture weapons and then for the government to "manufacture" wars to justify the cost? I think you know the answer to that question. Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Nixon, Carter.....I can go on and on. None of them did anything to address this imbalance since the end of WWII. There are many problems this country could solve (including Covid), but won't because the structure of the political and economic machine is that powerful and it dictates how resources are spent and allocated. You and 2b have discussed all of this.... Again, you can agree or disagree with my point of view, no hurt feelings either way. But please don't confuse my intelligence with simpleton thinking because you disagree with it. I've articulated my point of view ad nauseum on here and I've given you examples of WHY I believe what I believe. I appreciate and respect the back and forth with you Sammy (and 2b) because I believe our positions whether we agree with each other or not are rooted in honesty and integrity--unlike the politicians who just want to throw around fine sounding sound bites to appease a political base to stay in power, regardless of how stupid and illogical their arguments are. The same goes with posters want to come in here and give a "drive by" take on issues they don't understand, then when they get checked on it, they disappear. That said, it's really time for the season to get started.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 9, 2022 10:30:45 GMT -8
Yes we can never see eye to eye on this. But I'm sad that people with your level of intelligence are willing to accept "It is what it is" and there's nothing that leaders in the highest rungs of power in our government of supposedly most powerful nation on earth can do about it. Most powerful nation that cannot protect it's people from the plague. Unfortunately you cannot separate caring about health and lives from it is what it is when it comes to covid. We spend trillions on weapons of war to protect ourselves but we turn our back on disease. It is what it is. You are still misunderstanding my point. I never said it's a matter of we "can't" solve crisis' it's a matter of not having the courage to make decisions that are in the best interest of the whole because the pull of politics and profit are just that strong on both a macro economic and political level. It is unfortunate that we as one of the most powerful and wealthiest nations on earth (we're not the most powerful nation at this point) cannot solve some of these major crises. And it is because politics and profit has gotten in the way. I never said it's a matter of can't, but a matter of choice by the most powerful and wealthy because doing what's in the best interest of the whole means they will have something to lose. We do spend trillions of dollars on weapons as you said, but is it really for defense? Or is it to put millions in the pockets of the executives of defense companies who have government contracts to manufacture weapons and then for the government to "manufacture" wars to justify the cost? I think you know the answer to that question. Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Nixon, Carter.....I can go on and on. None of them did anything to address this imbalance since the end of WWII. There are many problems this country could solve (including Covid), but won't because the structure of the political and economic machine is that powerful and it dictates how resources are spent and allocated. You and 2b have discussed all of this.... Again, you can agree or disagree with my point of view, no hurt feelings either way. But please don't confuse my intelligence with simpleton thinking because you disagree with it. I've articulated my point of view ad nauseum on here and I've given you examples of WHY I believe what I believe. I appreciate and respect the back and forth with you Sammy (and 2b) because I believe our positions whether we agree with each other or not are rooted in honesty and integrity--unlike the politicians who just want to throw around fine sounding sound bites to appease a political base to stay in power, regardless of how stupid and illogical their arguments are. The same goes with posters want to come in here and give a "drive by" take on issues they don't understand, then when they get checked on it, they disappear. That said, it's really time for the season to get started. Definitely time for the season to get started. No disrespect intended on the intelligence comment. Yes I continue to struggle understanding your viewpoint because I'm not finding the logic in it. What I struggle to understand is why we should accept politics and profit getting in the way wherein the masters gladly sacrifice the peasants without remorse or regard so long as their pockets are filled. You said YES "It is what it is". Agree or disagree, that's defeatist and I completely reject the premise that we should accept it and move on. And whether or not we as a nation can or cannot do becomes irrelevant if we don't have the will to fight back against the greedy bastards amongst us. If we can do it but don't because we bow to politics and profit, then shame on us. That's actually worst than not being able to do it. This dead horse has been beaten enough. I will keep bashing the failed Biden administration about to lead us into a recession in addition to it's deceitful and failed Covid policy that was never grounded in science despite campaign promises. By the way, his Covid czar sends his kids in small classroom private schools with upgraded ventilation systems while he professes schools are safe for everyone else. Fucking hypocrite. Bidens CDC director and her senior staff work from home in Massachusetts and send their kids to similar private schools. If you're rich, connected and powerful you're safe. For the rest of y'all peasants, it's Eugenics. Fuck that to hell and back. Fucking hypocrisy. Cleaning the air through ventilation is one of the key tools against the virus. Only available to the rich and powerful. What you misunderstand about my position is that my baseline ain't Trump and choosing between the lesser of two evils. The baseline is governance as defined by the founders as "of the people, by the people, for the people". Not of,by and for the ultra rich and politicians and the weapons magnates. And as my chart shows, a government that failed to protect it's citizens from disease in multiples compared to other nations, that government has failed. This is very simple - Biden has failed on Covid by his own standard per his quote below. There were 220000 deaths at this point quoted below that was 12 days before the 2020 election. There are over a million dead under his watch. No need for excuses. "Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election.
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Post by lakeshow on Sept 9, 2022 10:47:11 GMT -8
You are still misunderstanding my point. I never said it's a matter of we "can't" solve crisis' it's a matter of not having the courage to make decisions that are in the best interest of the whole because the pull of politics and profit are just that strong on both a macro economic and political level. It is unfortunate that we as one of the most powerful and wealthiest nations on earth (we're not the most powerful nation at this point) cannot solve some of these major crises. And it is because politics and profit has gotten in the way. I never said it's a matter of can't, but a matter of choice by the most powerful and wealthy because doing what's in the best interest of the whole means they will have something to lose. We do spend trillions of dollars on weapons as you said, but is it really for defense? Or is it to put millions in the pockets of the executives of defense companies who have government contracts to manufacture weapons and then for the government to "manufacture" wars to justify the cost? I think you know the answer to that question. Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Nixon, Carter.....I can go on and on. None of them did anything to address this imbalance since the end of WWII. There are many problems this country could solve (including Covid), but won't because the structure of the political and economic machine is that powerful and it dictates how resources are spent and allocated. You and 2b have discussed all of this.... Again, you can agree or disagree with my point of view, no hurt feelings either way. But please don't confuse my intelligence with simpleton thinking because you disagree with it. I've articulated my point of view ad nauseum on here and I've given you examples of WHY I believe what I believe. I appreciate and respect the back and forth with you Sammy (and 2b) because I believe our positions whether we agree with each other or not are rooted in honesty and integrity--unlike the politicians who just want to throw around fine sounding sound bites to appease a political base to stay in power, regardless of how stupid and illogical their arguments are. The same goes with posters want to come in here and give a "drive by" take on issues they don't understand, then when they get checked on it, they disappear. That said, it's really time for the season to get started. Definitely time for the season to get started. No disrespect intended on the intelligence comment. Yes I continue to struggle understanding your viewpoint because I'm not finding the logic in it. What I struggle to understand is why we should accept politics and profit getting in the way wherein the masters gladly sacrifice the peasants without remorse or regard so long as their pockets are filled. You said YES "It is what it is". Agree or disagree, that's defeatist and I completely reject the premise that we should accept it and move on. And whether or not we as a nation can or cannot do becomes irrelevant if we don't have the will to fight back against the greedy bastards amongst us. If we can do it but don't because we bow to politics and profit, then shame on us. That's actually worst than not being able to do it. This dead horse has been beaten enough. I will keep bashing the failed Biden administration about to lead us into a recession in addition to it's deceitful and failed Covid policy that was never grounded in science despite campaign promises. By the way, his Covid czar sends his kids in small classroom private schools with upgraded ventilation systems while he professes schools are safe for everyone else. Fucking hypocrite. Bidens CDC director and her senior staff work from home in Massachusetts and send their kids to similar private schools. If you're rich, connected and powerful you're safe. For the rest of y'all peasants, it's Eugenics. Fuck that to hell and back. Fucking hypocrisy. Cleaning the air through ventilation is one of the key tools against the virus. Only available to the rich and powerful. What you misunderstand about my position is that my baseline ain't Trump and choosing between the lesser of two evils. The baseline is governance as defined by the founders as "of the people, by the people, for the people". Not of,by and for the ultra rich and politicians and the weapons magnates. And as my chart shows, a government that failed to protect it's citizens from disease in multiples compared to other nations, that government has failed. This is very simple - Biden has failed on Covid by his own standard per his quote below. There were 220000 deaths at this point quoted below that was 12 days before the 2020 election. There are over a million dead under his watch. No need for excuses. "Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election. Got ya Sammy. Have a good day brother.
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Post by history2b on Sept 9, 2022 14:41:19 GMT -8
I agree the move is politicking but I’m still in favor of any concessions that get made for working class Americans regardless of how much resentment the right manufactures over this move. Like Republicrat Joe Manchin calling 10k relief “excessive.” Lol, 10k?? That’s less than 1 semester of tuition at virtually every private school in America today. That cuck works for the corporations that have large holdings (in the trillions of dollars) on debt. You bring up a good point about whether society should be organized around debt peonage. In America it largely is and increasingly so as time goes on. Inflation on educational costs has far exceeded the rate of inflation overall (again just like healthcare). The backlash against this organization is strong but it’s parsed into the “what about me crowd.” Biden’s plan doesn’t do a damn thing for me but I support it because support these causes is how we will lead to a greater consciousness that we are on the same team and it’s in our interest not to fight each other. We have to fight the bigger enemy together. I'm highly skeptical that we will ever be on the same team in this nation. If we can't unite against the plague, these issues such as healthcare, education etc are inherently divisive. Politics has become all about dividing and conquering and these wedges are constantly stress tested to win the next election. Plus the wealthy control it all too much with lobbying and politicians in their pockets. Agreed brother and privately I’ve been telling people that I think the fracture is going to lead to a dissolution of the US as we know it. No idea how but I could expand on a few ideas. A lot it going to depend on the climate catastrophe that is in full swing and WW3.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 10, 2022 7:05:57 GMT -8
I'm highly skeptical that we will ever be on the same team in this nation. If we can't unite against the plague, these issues such as healthcare, education etc are inherently divisive. Politics has become all about dividing and conquering and these wedges are constantly stress tested to win the next election. Plus the wealthy control it all too much with lobbying and politicians in their pockets. Agreed brother and privately I’ve been telling people that I think the fracture is going to lead to a dissolution of the US as we know it. No idea how but I could expand on a few ideas. A lot it going to depend on the climate catastrophe that is in full swing and WW3. You know what man, that's actually not that far fetched. The toxic divisiveness that the political and media machines have targeted will crack at some point. They've turned us against each other irreparably. Add to that climate change and Russia china embrace that's been the closest in decades and the ever increasing American arrogance and it makes for a scary situation.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 10, 2022 7:09:00 GMT -8
How about this crazy heatwave? No climate change or global warming? Yeah 🖕.
Not a fan of newsom either. Shows up in a fleece jacket with 110 degrees temperatures to tell people on TV not to run their AC. And he was taking a victory lap on all EV by 2035 wherein his state can't handle a heat wave for a week on the grid? Wtf is that all about? We seriously live in dumbest timeline.
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Post by bigjohn on Sept 12, 2022 8:03:01 GMT -8
I agree the move is politicking but I’m still in favor of any concessions that get made for working class Americans regardless of how much resentment the right manufactures over this move. Like Republicrat Joe Manchin calling 10k relief “excessive.” Lol, 10k?? That’s less than 1 semester of tuition at virtually every private school in America today. That cuck works for the corporations that have large holdings (in the trillions of dollars) on debt. You bring up a good point about whether society should be organized around debt peonage. In America it largely is and increasingly so as time goes on. Inflation on educational costs has far exceeded the rate of inflation overall (again just like healthcare). The backlash against this organization is strong but it’s parsed into the “what about me crowd.” Biden’s plan doesn’t do a damn thing for me but I support it because support these causes is how we will lead to a greater consciousness that we are on the same team and it’s in our interest not to fight each other. We have to fight the bigger enemy together. I'm highly skeptical that we will ever be on the same team in this nation. If we can't unite against the plague, these issues such as healthcare, education etc are inherently divisive. Politics has become all about dividing and conquering and these wedges are constantly stress tested to win the next election. Plus the wealthy control it all too much with lobbying and politicians in their pockets. Totally with you Sam on the division created in this country. People always want to point fingers at who started this push for division, but that in and of itself leads to more division. Anger and fear have been the bread and butter that feeds the global media for quite some time. Diversity of paradigms has lead us to a mass divergence of agendas in this country. The American dream has a far different meaning for people all across this country. Also, the fight for the actual definition of the American dream has also become a major issue as well. Unity and a discovery of common ground amongst all citizens in this country is a dream of mine, but it just may be a dream. People choose us versus them more often that not in our society and that will never lead to universal contentment. Since the time of the Romans, people in power have placed a priority on controlling the mod with bread and circus. Not much has changed.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 12, 2022 8:12:15 GMT -8
I'm highly skeptical that we will ever be on the same team in this nation. If we can't unite against the plague, these issues such as healthcare, education etc are inherently divisive. Politics has become all about dividing and conquering and these wedges are constantly stress tested to win the next election. Plus the wealthy control it all too much with lobbying and politicians in their pockets. Totally with you Sam on the division created in this country. People always want to point fingers at who started this push for division, but that in and of itself leads to more division. Anger and fear have been the bread and butter that feeds the global media for quite some time. Diversity of paradigms has lead us to a mass divergence of agendas in this country. The American dream has a far different meaning for people all across this country. Also, the fight for the actual definition of the American dream has also become a major issue as well. Unity and a discovery of common ground amongst all citizens in this country is a dream of mine, but it just may be a dream. People choose us versus them more often that not in our society and that will never lead to universal contentment. Since the time of the Romans, people in power have placed a priority on controlling the mod with bread and circus. Not much has changed. Yep humans will never evolve. The lust for power is hard coded into the DNA and it's not changing.
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Post by shopson67 on Sept 12, 2022 8:50:13 GMT -8
Totally with you Sam on the division created in this country. People always want to point fingers at who started this push for division, but that in and of itself leads to more division. Anger and fear have been the bread and butter that feeds the global media for quite some time. Diversity of paradigms has lead us to a mass divergence of agendas in this country. The American dream has a far different meaning for people all across this country. Also, the fight for the actual definition of the American dream has also become a major issue as well. Unity and a discovery of common ground amongst all citizens in this country is a dream of mine, but it just may be a dream. People choose us versus them more often that not in our society and that will never lead to universal contentment. Since the time of the Romans, people in power have placed a priority on controlling the mod with bread and circus. Not much has changed. Yep humans will never evolve. The lust for power is hard coded into the DNA and it's not changing. Humans certainly aren't going to evolve fast enough, and any younger generation that does seem to change re: greed ends up corrupted as they age by the previous generations. This is why unchecked capitalism doesn't work. I wouldn't necessarily generalize as "humans" however, as I think certain nations (including 'Murica) are worse than others.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 12, 2022 9:40:06 GMT -8
Yep humans will never evolve. The lust for power is hard coded into the DNA and it's not changing. Humans certainly aren't going to evolve fast enough, and any younger generation that does seem to change re: greed ends up corrupted as they age by the previous generations. This is why unchecked capitalism doesn't work. I wouldn't necessarily generalize as "humans" however, as I think certain nations (including 'Murica) are worse than others. Yes I agree. There are humans in Scandinavian nations who certainly regard their populations as valuable and don't put greed above all.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 22, 2022 7:10:22 GMT -8
- Pandemic declared over by the senile fool with hundreds dead daily and millions afflicting with long COVID and people dropping dead with COVID induced conditions. - Real risk of mass disabling event with long covid - unsustainable inflation leading fed to raise interest rates at the highest level since the 80s - crashing stock market due to fed action - crashing housing starts due to fed action - expected rise in unemployment due to fed action - guaranteed recession throughout 2023 - strengthening china Russia alliance - explicit nuclear sabre rattling by Russia - increasing tension with china - brink of nuclear ww3 - commercialization of Covid vaccines after this final round. No further funding on Covid research but he's focusing on cancer. WTAF.
But the gas prices went down by 50 cents after going up by 3 bucks. The unemployment rate went back down to what it was pre pandemic and after letting Covid rip.
Epic fail and things are just getting from bad to worst.
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