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Post by history2b on Aug 18, 2022 17:59:11 GMT -8
samadams10 re: China Initially you asked which economy, not government, as they’re obviously related but not the same. So regarding China’s version of Communism, the way they do things is not in any way inherent to the economic system. For example there are active Communist parties all over Europe, including Germany, Denmark, France and Portugal. Those parties want to reorganize how the government functions but not restrict the civil liberties that already exist within their country. China has chosen a strict authoritarian approach in part imo because of how much the West (US) meddles with people and governments all over the world. Declassified documents show we wanted to nuke them in 1950 after their revolution. So while I don’t agree with how they rule over their people I understand it has nothing to do with being a communist prerequisite. When the US makes noise about civil rights and ethnic minority abuses in China, most people outside of the US can only laugh at how rich it is for the US of all countries to speak of such things about another country. At this current time we are unleashing a propaganda campaign loosely referred to as a “genocide” in the Xinjiang Province. You see it casually thrown around through various media outlets repeated over and over just like “weapons of mass destruction” in 2002/03. I’ve looked into this for about 4 years now and still to this day have yet to find evidence of “genocide.” Coming from the country that illegally invaded and still occupies Iraq, waged a mercilessly mismanaged 20 year quagmire in Afghanistan, ultimately leaving it under more Taliban control than when we invaded in 2001. Lol. Has anyone here bothered to read about the dark operations carried out by the private mercenaries who went into villages and slaughtered entire villages, without congressional oversight? Beyond illegal and offensively sadistic in nature. So now after millions have died over 2 decades in the Middle East at the hands of US military and covert paramilitary, with tens of millions starving to death right now in Afghanistan, the US govt wants to tell me about the abuses of Uyghurs??? LMAO! That’s Bezos rich. I used to be more wary of the Chinese Government until I saw how the US spies on its citizens more and to greater lengths than the Chinese. That’s “freedom?” This is a very oppressive state to some people. Ask the Native Americans. The US committed genocide against these people, and continue to oppress them with worsening living conditions. Polluted toxic water sources, etc. Get tf off that high horse Yankee, lol. Even the country of Brazil, with democratically elected authoritarian oppressive fascist leader have more democracy than the United States. Everyone of voting age votes and the votes are tallied instantly, live on Election Day with all winners declared that night, not days later. 90 something percent of the people vote. That’s a democracy. Not 40-50% of people who vote based on which team spent the most money convincing voters between deliberately convoluted and misleading ideas written in legal jargon. Not votes counted secretly in little rooms by volunteers and political operatives with sinister and illegal voting scams to discount democracy like what Trump just did. No electoral college bullshit, because that isn’t a real democracy. So I say, yeah suck my balls to these twat leaders pointing fingers at China when we won’t even provide healthcare, Covid care or vaccines to its people. China can, and to all 1.4 billion. Like we’ve pointed out the strong economies right now all seem to be centered around communism and socialist countries. The Nordic, Taiwan is great example of country that has a healthy respectable democracy, in terms of engagement and voting numbers, isn’t as oppressive as China’s CCP in terms of personal expression but highly taxes private industries and have built highly efficient industrialize sectors. That was done through direct government investment initially. Any countries people can organize a party to do so but the C word has been an omitted part of American vernacular for about 80 years. That’s free speech? Where is the socialist pov on every “news” network that attempts to show you “both sides” as if political ideologies were binary and not multi faceted like say a dice? It’s faux free speech that operates by deliberate omission.
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 18, 2022 20:02:37 GMT -8
samadams10 re: China Initially you asked which economy, not government, as they’re obviously related but not the same. So regarding China’s version of Communism, the way they do things is not in any way inherent to the economic system. For example there are active Communist parties all over Europe, including Germany, Denmark, France and Portugal. Those parties want to reorganize how the government functions but not restrict the civil liberties that already exist within their country. China has chosen a strict authoritarian approach in part imo because of how much the West (US) meddles with people and governments all over the world. Declassified documents show we wanted to nuke them in 1950 after their revolution. So while I don’t agree with how they rule over their people I understand it has nothing to do with being a communist prerequisite. When the US makes noise about civil rights and ethnic minority abuses in China, most people outside of the US can only laugh at how rich it is for the US of all countries to speak of such things about another country. At this current time we are unleashing a propaganda campaign loosely referred to as a “genocide” in the Xinjiang Province. You see it casually thrown around through various media outlets repeated over and over just like “weapons of mass destruction” in 2002/03. I’ve looked into this for about 4 years now and still to this day have yet to find evidence of “genocide.” Coming from the country that illegally invaded and still occupies Iraq, waged a mercilessly mismanaged 20 year quagmire in Afghanistan, ultimately leaving it under more Taliban control than when we invaded in 2001. Lol. Does anyone here bothered to read about the dark operations carried out by the private mercenaries who went into villages and slaughtered entire villages, without congressional oversight? Beyond illegal and offensively sadistic in nature. So now after millions have died over 2 decades in the Middle East at the hands of US military and covert paramilitary, with tens of millions starving to death right now in Afghanistan, the US govt wants to tell me about the abuses of Uyghurs??? LMAO! That’s Bezos rich. I used to be more wary of the Chinese Government until I saw how the US spies on its citizens more and to greater lengths than the Chinese. That’s “freedom?” This is a very oppressive state to some people. Ask the Native Americans. The US committed genocide against these people, and continue to oppress them with worsening living conditions. Polluted toxic water sources, etc. Get tf off that high horse Yankee, lol. Even the country of Brazil, with democratically elected authoritarian oppressive fascist leader have more democracy than the United States. Everyone of voting age votes and the votes are tallied instantly, live on Election Day with all winners declared that night, not days later. 90 something percent of the people vote. That’s a democracy. Not 40-50% of people who vote based on which team spent the most money convincing voters between deliberately convoluted and misleading ideas written in legal jargon. Not votes counted secretly in little rooms by volunteers and political operatives with sinister and illegal voting scams to discount democracy like what Trump just did. No electoral college bullshit, because that isn’t a real democracy. So I say, yeah suck my balls to these twat leaders pointing fingers at China when we won’t even provide healthcare, Covid care or vaccines to its people. China can, and to all 1.4 billion. Like we’ve pointed out the strong economies right now all seem to be centered around communism and socialist countries. The Nordic, Taiwan is great example of country that has a healthy respectable democracy, in terms of engagement and voting numbers, isn’t as oppressive as China’s CCP in terms of personal expression but highly taxes private industries and have built highly efficient industrialize sectors. That was done through direct government investment initially. Any countries people can organize a party to do so but the C word has been an omitted part of American vernacular for about 80 years. That’s free speech? Where is the socialist pov on every “news” network that attempts to show you “both sides” as if political ideologies were binary and not multi faceted like say a dice? It’s faux free speech that operates by deliberate omission. Very informative and strong points. I can totally see the hypocrisy re commenting on Uyghurs. There's no high moral ground for us.
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 29, 2022 20:14:43 GMT -8
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Post by Fanofish on Aug 30, 2022 8:51:49 GMT -8
Keep rattling that Sabre A new study in the journal Nature Food found that a full-scale nuclear war between the US and Russia would kill 5 billion people (more than half of humanity). It gets better—the vast majority of us wouldn’t die instantly from the blasts. No, we’d perish from starvation as the soot kicked up by the detonations would block sunlight, sending crop yields down 90% in a matter of years and causing a global famine. Pussy ~ Tough guy Fish Yeah, I’m the keyboard tough guy here. Lmao I hope you’re having a good day. Breathe and keep calm brother. Just breathe and keep calm.
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 30, 2022 10:55:50 GMT -8
Yeah, I’m the keyboard tough guy here. Lmao I hope you’re having a good day. Breathe and keep calm brother. Just breathe and keep calm. Practice what you preach Fish.
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Post by history2b on Aug 30, 2022 13:00:47 GMT -8
Yeah, I’m the keyboard tough guy here. Lmao I hope you’re having a good day. Breathe and keep calm brother. Just breathe and keep calm. When I think of the toughest guys I know you are always at the top of my list Fish. Plus throw in that brain that thought Jabari Parker was the next NBA superstar and swooon!
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 30, 2022 15:39:56 GMT -8
Yeah, I’m the keyboard tough guy here. Lmao I hope you’re having a good day. Breathe and keep calm brother. Just breathe and keep calm. When I think of the toughest guys I know you are always at the top of my list Fish. Plus throw in that brain that though Jabari Parker was the next NBA superstar and swooon! Jabari who? I barely remember that dude. Heck I remember smush Parker more than jabari
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 9:30:55 GMT -8
F U Biden and your administration
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 9:33:15 GMT -8
Which is the so called industrialized and developed best in the world nation again? Life expectancy drops precipitously in the US due to Covid. But hey dementia Joe created 10 million jobs so it's all good.
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Post by history2b on Sept 8, 2022 10:20:11 GMT -8
F U Biden and your administration F the system. Biden is simply a vanguard of the system, the system being protecting profit over population. Insanity rules under this condition and people have largely accepted it.
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Post by history2b on Sept 8, 2022 10:21:30 GMT -8
Which is the so called industrialized and developed best in the world nation again? Life expectancy drops precipitously in the US due to Covid. But hey dementia Joe created 10 million jobs so it's all good. Saw this last week too. This compares the US to China but life expectancy has been declining in the US for a generation. That profit algorithm has dictated it so.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 10:56:35 GMT -8
F U Biden and your administration F the system. Biden is simply a vanguard of the system, the system being protecting profit over population. Insanity rules under this condition and people have largely accepted it. Agreed but F him too for not challenging the system and laying down for the corporate elitist men.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 10:57:37 GMT -8
Which is the so called industrialized and developed best in the world nation again? Life expectancy drops precipitously in the US due to Covid. But hey dementia Joe created 10 million jobs so it's all good. Saw this last week too. This compares the US to China but life expectancy has been declining in the US for a generation. That profit algorithm has dictated it so. Sad. Value for wealth Trumps value for life.
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Post by history2b on Sept 8, 2022 11:06:21 GMT -8
F the system. Biden is simply a vanguard of the system, the system being protecting profit over population. Insanity rules under this condition and people have largely accepted it. Agreed but F him too for not challenging the system and laying down for the corporate elitist men. Yeah I agree screw the corporate Dems. But Biden has done a couple things that challenge the system like his cancelling of some student debt. I am an advocate of him eliminating all of it, entirely but a concession of up to 50k, no strings attached would have been a great move too. But corporate Dem approach is the bare minimum and that’s basically what his 10k plan is. Even so, the Republicans overreacted as if this was the first debt cancellation in history when in fact it is the norm.
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Post by lakeshow on Sept 8, 2022 11:36:53 GMT -8
As I've kept saying over and over and over and over on here...Biden is only a part of the system. And Sammy, one politician that is beholden to this country's system of corporate greed will not overcome it--Republican or Democrat. It's not going to happen. It would take a complete collapse of the country's economic infrastructure to even have a chance of that happening--and that's still not a guarantee. See the 1929 Stock Market Crash and the 10 year depression that followed it.
It's a matter of which politician will do the least damage. And I'll still pick Biden over Orange face dude 100 times out of 100 times everyday of the week and twice on Sundays---and it's not even close. If anybody's pissed about Biden, then I will continue to challenge you to reflect on how pissed off you would be if his predecessor were still in charge.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 14:33:31 GMT -8
As I've kept saying over and over and over and over on here...Biden is only a part of the system. And Sammy, one politician that is beholden to this country's system of corporate greed will not overcome it--Republican or Democrat. It's not going to happen. It would take a complete collapse of the country's economic infrastructure to even have a chance of that happening--and that's still not a guarantee. See the 1929 Stock Market Crash and the 10 year depression that followed it. It's a matter of which politician will do the least damage. And I'll still pick Biden over Orange face dude 100 times out of 100 times everyday of the week and twice on Sundays---and it's not even close. If anybody's pissed about Biden, then I will continue to challenge you to reflect on how pissed off you would be if his predecessor were still in charge. And as I have responded over and over again, if we keep giving them a pass by making excuses for them, then they win. He has presided over more Covid deaths than any other developed nation on the last year. Fuck him he did not fulfil his primary job which is to protect his populace after regularly dumping on orange face throughout the campaign for Covid deaths. He said it's painful for families to see empty seats at Dunkin g tables and Trump hadn't done enough. So why the fuck is he giving himself a pass? He said science will dictate his policy yet he's beholden to big business instead of human lives. Fuck that and dementia Joe can take his wrinkly ass back to Delaware in 2024.
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Post by samadams10 on Sept 8, 2022 14:35:21 GMT -8
Agreed but F him too for not challenging the system and laying down for the corporate elitist men. Yeah I agree screw the corporate Dems. But Biden has done a couple things that challenge the system like his cancelling of some student debt. I am an advocate of him eliminating all of it, entirely but a concession of up to 50k, no strings attached would have been a great move too. But corporate Dem approach is the bare minimum and that’s basically what his 10k plan is. Even so, the Republicans overreacted as if this was the first debt cancellation in history when in fact it is the norm. I'd like to understand why debt forgiveness is a good thing. Why not go after the ridiculously high price of education and make more options available for government subsidized higher education similar to k-12? Where does debt forgiveness stop? Only for student loans?
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Post by lakeshow on Sept 8, 2022 15:11:15 GMT -8
As I've kept saying over and over and over and over on here...Biden is only a part of the system. And Sammy, one politician that is beholden to this country's system of corporate greed will not overcome it--Republican or Democrat. It's not going to happen. It would take a complete collapse of the country's economic infrastructure to even have a chance of that happening--and that's still not a guarantee. See the 1929 Stock Market Crash and the 10 year depression that followed it. It's a matter of which politician will do the least damage. And I'll still pick Biden over Orange face dude 100 times out of 100 times everyday of the week and twice on Sundays---and it's not even close. If anybody's pissed about Biden, then I will continue to challenge you to reflect on how pissed off you would be if his predecessor were still in charge. And as I have responded over and over again, if we keep giving them a pass by making excuses for them, then they win. He has presided over more Covid deaths than any other developed nation on the last year. Fuck him he did not fulfil his primary job which is to protect his populace after regularly dumping on orange face throughout the campaign for Covid deaths. He said it's painful for families to see empty seats at Dunkin g tables and Trump hadn't done enough. So why the fuck is he giving himself a pass? He said science will dictate his policy yet he's beholden to big business instead of human lives. Fuck that and dementia Joe can take his wrinkly ass back to Delaware in 2024. I don't know who's making excuses for who and that's irrelevant to me. Because regardless of who would be in office, you would be seeing and saying the same thing Sam. The death rate of Covid is a by product of everything you and 2b have been saying Sam--which runs way deeper than Biden. A pass? Every president gives themselves a pass Sam. Trump was the worst at that! I'd just rather deal in reality, not in what should be.
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Post by bigjohn on Sept 8, 2022 15:19:34 GMT -8
Yeah I agree screw the corporate Dems. But Biden has done a couple things that challenge the system like his cancelling of some student debt. I am an advocate of him eliminating all of it, entirely but a concession of up to 50k, no strings attached would have been a great move too. But corporate Dem approach is the bare minimum and that’s basically what his 10k plan is. Even so, the Republicans overreacted as if this was the first debt cancellation in history when in fact it is the norm. I'd like to understand why debt forgiveness is a good thing. Why not go after the ridiculously high price of education and make more options available for government subsidized higher education similar to k-12? Where does debt forgiveness stop? Only for student loans? The Collegiate System has been fleecing the public for decades. Overpriced tuition. Overpriced books. Overpriced Housing. If the government really wanted to impress me, they would pay back every cent paid in student loans since 1980, waive all current debt and nationalize State Funded Colleges. Private colleges can still go their own way, but text book companies need to be regulated big time and have to justify why they believe a "new edition" needs to be released. Also the massive kickback to professors to use unnecessary "New Edition" books needs to be stopped as well. Its a huge scam that needs to end.
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Post by history2b on Sept 8, 2022 15:26:55 GMT -8
Yeah I agree screw the corporate Dems. But Biden has done a couple things that challenge the system like his cancelling of some student debt. I am an advocate of him eliminating all of it, entirely but a concession of up to 50k, no strings attached would have been a great move too. But corporate Dem approach is the bare minimum and that’s basically what his 10k plan is. Even so, the Republicans overreacted as if this was the first debt cancellation in history when in fact it is the norm. I'd like to understand why debt forgiveness is a good thing. Why not go after the ridiculously high price of education and make more options available for government subsidized higher education similar to k-12? Where does debt forgiveness stop? Only for student loans? It makes sense because the idea of monetizing education (like healthcare) is a terrible policy decision that has had catastrophic effects on tens of thousands of students. When Reagan started the wheels in motion to create a borrowers market to “afford” and education, students were put in a situation to borrow less than 10k to get a 4 year degree. By 2000 that number grew to almost 50k and by 2020 nearly 100k. In short, the “market” created an unending cost increasing scenario for all students (just like healthcare), which forced prospective borrowers take out larger and larger loans. It should be obvious why that setup is criminal to impose on a society but since this dumbfuck America where anything large wealth enacts on society, people simply accept it then question why anything should change. But college is entirely free in various European countries on the basis that an educated populace produces a more valuable well rounded population… you know the antithesis of American policy. So getting back to why the loans should be forgiven, because loans are forgiven all the time, every week, month, year and in every country in the world. Billions and billions of PPP loans were forgiven in the past couple of years and not so much as peep about why that should have happened by media. For anyone who thinks it’s “unfair” that tax dollars are being used to forgive students loans, it is also “unfair” that someone without children pays taxes that go towards public schools, unfair that someone against war pays taxes towards missiles and bombs, it’s unfair Trump gave 4 trillion bailout to corporations after the crash of 2020, etc etc. The list could go on and on with dozens more examples. When working people get a bailout it’s a good thing and in terms of economics they take the money that would have gone on to pay a hedge fund 20k in repayments with interest, they can now go and spend that money in more useful sectors of rhe economy. That’s how you stimulate the market.
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