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Post by lakeshow on Oct 13, 2022 19:36:17 GMT -8
And by the way, Martinez, Cedillo, and Herrera need to resign from the LA City Council. They are repulsive human beings that should be ran out of town. They have completely embarrassed the city of LA. Get them the fuck out of office for sure but I also read an interesting piece online about Latinos and that “dirty secret” of saying things like this in private and it being normal. Latinos have to move along and evolve just as much as Anglo Americans imo. Agreed and I think every ethnic group does it. Koreans have said horrific things too about people different than them. That was a big reason why there was so much tension between blacks and Koreans in the early 1990’s in LA. No group is completely innocent. The difference is those guys (Cedillo, Martinez, De Leon, and Herrera) were too stupid to realize that they are public figures and too arrogant to believe anyone would actually rat them out. But even more important that very few people are talking about is the fact that those guys were trying to gerrymander LA to strengthen Latino power and influence and weaken black and other ethnic districts in LA. That is just as disgraceful as what they were caught saying. The narrative is about what they were caught saying—and it is disgraceful, but more attention needs to be placed on what they were trying to do to the political landscape in LA.
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Post by history2b on Oct 13, 2022 20:45:11 GMT -8
Get them the fuck out of office for sure but I also read an interesting piece online about Latinos and that “dirty secret” of saying things like this in private and it being normal. Latinos have to move along and evolve just as much as Anglo Americans imo. This maybe controversial but racism exists amongst all races not just the whites. As proven by these idiots. Asians, Blacks, Latinos, all harbor some form of racism. Not to mention religious bigotry. It is always apparent when the majority in a populace practices racism and bigotry. It's a human flaw. Absolutely Sam. It’s really about the power dynamics in relation to those thoughts.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 10, 2022 9:27:45 GMT -8
Midterms turned out better than expected for Dems.
But they still need to secure Arizona and Georgia for the Senate. Won't know about Georgia until Dec. 6th.
Bad night for most of the Trumpanzee election deniers who were running for office which is a good thing.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 10, 2022 14:09:41 GMT -8
Midterms turned out better than expected for Dems. But they still need to secure Arizona and Georgia for the Senate. Won't know about Georgia until Dec. 6th. Bad night for most of the Trumpanzee election deniers who were running for office which is a good thing. Calls growing within R party to dump trump. A lot of his cult followers who ran have lost bafly. Not the red wave many expected. However,no moral victories here either. Akin to Only losing on the scoreboard. Plus Dems still have to deal with Manchinema. Looks like a lameduck Biden situation last two years.
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Post by history2b on Nov 10, 2022 15:42:53 GMT -8
I was pleased to see Trump candidates falter as that is a good sign for America and society at large but like Sam said, it’s not going to solve society’s problems.
The Democrats doubling down on backing Trump candidates in order to win elections is bad business because it’s not solution based policy, it’s just flipping the script on Republicans at their own muckraking games.
Fetterman in Pennsylvania is a decent example of a better quality Democrat, someone who supported unions and spoke on behalf of working class people. The Democrats have needed to return to those roots for a generation.
But overall this “balance of power” in a fraudulent “democratic” system will only maintain the lack of action and reform. It was a referendum on Trumpism to a degree but a concession to the status quo who don’t address healthcare, homelessness and who also embraced the false claim that workers getting higher wages is what caused our inflation.
A lot of work to be done to reform this corrupt system but I’m happy to see that Trump doesn’t have the pull he thought he did. We should be able to avert Trump fascism but not DeSantis’. The Democrats stand no chance against him in 2024 with they prop up 80 year old Biden.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 10, 2022 17:09:50 GMT -8
I was pleased to see Trump candidates falter as that is a good sign for America and society at large but like Sam said, it’s not going to solve society’s problems. The Democrats doubling down on backing Trump candidates in order to win elections is bad business because it’s not solution based policy, it’s just flipping the script on Republicans at their own muckraking games. Fetterman in Pennsylvania is a decent example of a better quality Democrat, someone who supported unions and spoke on behalf of working class people. The Democrats have needed to return to those roots for a generation. But overall this “balance of power” in a fraudulent “democratic” system will only maintain the lack of action and reform. It was a referendum on Trumpism to a degree but a concession to the status quo who don’t address healthcare, homelessness and who also embraced the false claim that workers getting higher wages is what caused our inflation. A lot of work to be done to reform this corrupt system but I’m happy to see that Trump doesn’t have the pull he thought he did. We should be able to avert Trump fascism but not DeSantis’. The Democrats stand no chance against him in 2024 with they prop up 80 year old Biden. DeSantis is more dangerous than ever before now. There were reports that Biden has been in contact with advisors to kick start his 2024 campaign. The guy is barely coherent now at 79. He would be 81 on election day or inauguration in the remote chance of winning. Democrats will be Uber dumb to let him run again despite his relative midterm success.
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Post by history2b on Nov 10, 2022 20:05:28 GMT -8
I was pleased to see Trump candidates falter as that is a good sign for America and society at large but like Sam said, it’s not going to solve society’s problems. The Democrats doubling down on backing Trump candidates in order to win elections is bad business because it’s not solution based policy, it’s just flipping the script on Republicans at their own muckraking games. Fetterman in Pennsylvania is a decent example of a better quality Democrat, someone who supported unions and spoke on behalf of working class people. The Democrats have needed to return to those roots for a generation. But overall this “balance of power” in a fraudulent “democratic” system will only maintain the lack of action and reform. It was a referendum on Trumpism to a degree but a concession to the status quo who don’t address healthcare, homelessness and who also embraced the false claim that workers getting higher wages is what caused our inflation. A lot of work to be done to reform this corrupt system but I’m happy to see that Trump doesn’t have the pull he thought he did. We should be able to avert Trump fascism but not DeSantis’. The Democrats stand no chance against him in 2024 with they prop up 80 year old Biden. DeSantis is more dangerous than ever before now. There were reports that Biden has been in contact with advisors to kick start his 2024 campaign. The guy is barely coherent now at 79. He would be 81 on election day or inauguration in the remote chance of winning. Democrats will be Uber dumb to let him run again despite his relative midterm success. I think it would be a fatal move for the Democrats but if they signal now that he won’t run for re-election the Republicans and their media apparatus will run with the idea that he’s “admitting he’s not fit to run” and create their wedge into undecided pinhead voters who sit idly by every year waiting for the right propaganda to sway them slightly back one way or the other. I know it won’t be Kamala Harris who has no substance or bravado and I hope it’s not Newsom because I think he’d also falter but when your platform is primarily corporate servitude, representing the peoples interest second, you’re never going to have a “great” candidate.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 10, 2022 21:05:12 GMT -8
Yep the corporate servitude has been blatant lately. Both Harris and Newsom would be quickly labeled California liberals out of touch with real America blah blah. Butiegieg has no chance either. Not much else left.
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Post by history2b on Nov 10, 2022 22:41:22 GMT -8
Yep the corporate servitude has been blatant lately. Both Harris and Newsom would be quickly labeled California liberals out of touch with real America blah blah. Butiegieg has no chance either. Not much else left. I think Buttigieg has a shot if he builds an actual platform, he’s younger and more well spoken than the others imo. Superficially it matters in how the political game is played these days. Anyone who’d seek sweeping reforms in a dysfunctional broken down system would be labeled a “radical.” Dems Obama brand was very powerful because Barack was such a strong orator. Biden fumbles and becomes prey for the vultures who peddle nonsensical political satire masked as “news.” Pete fits a lot of check boxes of what they traditionally like. Opposite of Biden in the age department, etc.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 11, 2022 8:30:19 GMT -8
Yep the corporate servitude has been blatant lately. Both Harris and Newsom would be quickly labeled California liberals out of touch with real America blah blah. Butiegieg has no chance either. Not much else left. I think Buttigieg has a shot if he builds an actual platform, he’s younger and more well spoken than the others imo. Superficially it matters in how the political game is played these days. Anyone who’d seek sweeping reforms in a dysfunctional broken down system would be labeled a “radical.” Dems Obama brand was very powerful because Barack was such a strong orator. Biden fumbles and becomes prey for the vultures who peddle nonsensical political satire masked as “news.” Pete fits a lot of check boxes of what they traditionally like. Opposite of Biden in the age department, etc. I hate to put it this way but let me ask you this. In a nation where a significant voter base is driven by Christian beliefs, where they are anti abortion and get riled up with gender transformation issues, I struggle to see how they can ever support Butiegieg. One might argue that they supported Trump all in eventhough he fks hoes, however that was a marriage of mutual convinience. He pandered to their prejudices against minorities and immigrants most importantly, delivered for them on Roe v Wade. Personally,I don't think Newsom, Harris and Butiegieg are good candidates. Biden won as a centrist and only by a margin of 44k votes in the electoral college. Dems best shot at 2024 is If they run Trump. His brand finally seems to be declining. There would never be a 81 year old CEO at apple or Amazon or even a mom n pop outfit at least not full time. So why is that okay for the most import job in the land.
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Post by Fanofish on Nov 11, 2022 9:42:35 GMT -8
The thread that never dies. Haha
I will say, I have disagreed with Sam/H in the recent past on other subjects. The points articulated in the last day on this thread, I can’t really find anything I disagree with. I guess the only one is I would agree that Buttigieg would not be a winning candidate imo.
I agree that the only person Biden can beat is Trump. And that’s debatable. I think that the political strategists are out of touch with reality and are incompetent. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the ever growing Independent voters won’t vote for an extremist. I am one of many I know that feel this way.
Unfortunately for the Republicans, DeSantis is Trump 2.0. Somehow they don’t realize their base will vote Republican whether extremist or moderate. They would capture many independent voters if they weren’t so extreme, but they can’t seem to understand this for whatever reason.
I hate to say it, but if the dems were to put a Manchin-esque type of candidate (moderate), I don’t see how they lose against Trump or DeSantis.
Eventually, there will be a realization that the independent voters are the difference makers. And we will absolutely not vote for an extremist. Now, if the dems decide on an extremist candidate like AOC, Bernie, etc…? It’s going to be a toss-up.
On a side note, I wouldn’t be shocked if Michele Obama throws her hat in the ring. If that happens and she wins, the MAGAts will lose their minds.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 11, 2022 12:39:16 GMT -8
Manchin is a Republican in Democrats clothing. He could sell himself as a hard centrist. I hope M Obama stays out of it. Dynastic politics sucks number 1 and she has a great legacy now which she will tarnish as yes the magats will lose their mind even if she's on the D ticket. Their most recent hit job on her is that she's really a man with memes floating around with a penile bulge in her mid section. Those clowns are nasty.
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Post by history2b on Nov 11, 2022 13:26:08 GMT -8
I think Buttigieg has a shot if he builds an actual platform, he’s younger and more well spoken than the others imo. Superficially it matters in how the political game is played these days. Anyone who’d seek sweeping reforms in a dysfunctional broken down system would be labeled a “radical.” Dems Obama brand was very powerful because Barack was such a strong orator. Biden fumbles and becomes prey for the vultures who peddle nonsensical political satire masked as “news.” Pete fits a lot of check boxes of what they traditionally like. Opposite of Biden in the age department, etc. I hate to put it this way but let me ask you this. In a nation where a significant voter base is driven by Christian beliefs, where they are anti abortion and get riled up with gender transformation issues, I struggle to see how they can ever support Butiegieg. One might argue that they supported Trump all in eventhough he fks hoes, however that was a marriage of mutual convinience. He pandered to their prejudices against minorities and immigrants most importantly, delivered for them on Roe v Wade. Personally,I don't think Newsom, Harris and Butiegieg are good candidates. Biden won as a centrist and only by a margin of 44k votes in the electoral college. Dems best shot at 2024 is If they run Trump. His brand finally seems to be declining. There would never be a 81 year old CEO at apple or Amazon or even a mom n pop outfit at least not full time. So why is that okay for the most import job in the land. Well I definitely wouldn’t describe this country as anti abortion after this latest election. If it were a more stable time in history and the primary topic had been abortion and the levers of democracy more real it would have been a blue tsunami. As it was the topic won various important races. As far as it’s Christian belief in general go, it’s true that his being gay might not fly in middle America but that’s exactly where he’s from. He can’t be painted as a coastal elite like Newsom or even AOC. He seemed to be the candidate the DNC preferred in late 2019 but his numbers in the primaries didn’t go so well. Nothing a solid campaign with real ideas couldn’t fix. Regarding Manchin I would consider that move to be the absolute worst move the Democrats could make. It would lead to the fall of the Democratic Party altogether imo because if it worked it would absolutely 1000% lead to more corporate sell off and swell the backlash that has been festering since 2nd term Obama. To me it’s funny how Republicans propaganda seems to be what everyone concedes to and fear. I’ve always found it to be weak and thin, and while I consider the American public among the most uninformed and misinformed in the world, I don’t believe that we are inherently stupid.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 11, 2022 21:30:28 GMT -8
I love what is happening right now.
Another election denier lost in AZ, Fontes beat Finchem, Mark Kelly just beat a pro-trump Senatorial candidate, Sarah Palin is getting her brains beat, and the Democratic candidate in Nevado is now only trailing by 800 votes with 94% of the votes counted. Trump and DeSantis hate each other and Trump is doing anything he can to stay relevant by trashing DeSantis....Oh and the Republicans still haven't won the House yet (although I think they will, it's just a matter of time).
I know Biden is not the most popular Dem. president, but what is happening now is significant in that it is sending a message to the election deniers and to pro-Trumpers that people (even Republicans) are fed up with the MAGA crap and want their party to go in a different direction. The Republican Party is trash for sure, but the MAGA movement was the worst thing to happen in this country in the last 6 years imo. I know we can talk all day long about both parties being servant to the corporate machine which is true, but I would much rather have to endure that (which has been the case for a long time) then what Trump and his followers have put this country through over the last 6 years and probably will go a little longer.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 12, 2022 15:59:49 GMT -8
Theres definitely signs of decline of trumpism. A lot of the election result deniers have lost as well. It'll be interesting to see how long before the R party turns on maga.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 13, 2022 12:25:31 GMT -8
The thread that never dies. Haha I will say, I have disagreed with Sam/H in the recent past on other subjects. The points articulated in the last day on this thread, I can’t really find anything I disagree with. I guess the only one is I would agree that Buttigieg would not be a winning candidate imo. I agree that the only person Biden can beat is Trump. And that’s debatable. I think that the political strategists are out of touch with reality and are incompetent. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the ever growing Independent voters won’t vote for an extremist. I am one of many I know that feel this way. Unfortunately for the Republicans, DeSantis is Trump 2.0. Somehow they don’t realize their base will vote Republican whether extremist or moderate. They would capture many independent voters if they weren’t so extreme, but they can’t seem to understand this for whatever reason. I hate to say it, but if the dems were to put a Manchin-esque type of candidate (moderate), I don’t see how they lose against Trump or DeSantis. Eventually, there will be a realization that the independent voters are the difference makers. And we will absolutely not vote for an extremist. Now, if the dems decide on an extremist candidate like AOC, Bernie, etc…? It’s going to be a toss-up. On a side note, I wouldn’t be shocked if Michele Obama throws her hat in the ring. If that happens and she wins, the MAGAts will lose their minds. Michelle Obama is not going to be running for anything. She has said that over and over. Running for office is not her thing. And I think that's a good thing.
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Post by samadams10 on Nov 13, 2022 17:02:20 GMT -8
The thread that never dies. Haha I will say, I have disagreed with Sam/H in the recent past on other subjects. The points articulated in the last day on this thread, I can’t really find anything I disagree with. I guess the only one is I would agree that Buttigieg would not be a winning candidate imo. I agree that the only person Biden can beat is Trump. And that’s debatable. I think that the political strategists are out of touch with reality and are incompetent. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the ever growing Independent voters won’t vote for an extremist. I am one of many I know that feel this way. Unfortunately for the Republicans, DeSantis is Trump 2.0. Somehow they don’t realize their base will vote Republican whether extremist or moderate. They would capture many independent voters if they weren’t so extreme, but they can’t seem to understand this for whatever reason. I hate to say it, but if the dems were to put a Manchin-esque type of candidate (moderate), I don’t see how they lose against Trump or DeSantis. Eventually, there will be a realization that the independent voters are the difference makers. And we will absolutely not vote for an extremist. Now, if the dems decide on an extremist candidate like AOC, Bernie, etc…? It’s going to be a toss-up. On a side note, I wouldn’t be shocked if Michele Obama throws her hat in the ring. If that happens and she wins, the MAGAts will lose their minds. Michelle Obama is not going to be running for anything. She has said that over and over. Running for office is not her thing. And I think that's a good thing. Yep keep her legacy intact and don't step into the cesspool of politics.
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 15, 2022 5:32:29 GMT -8
Another clown election denier bites the dust...Kari Lake in AZ.
Now we need that clown Herschel Walker in Georgia to go away too.
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Post by history2b on Nov 15, 2022 14:38:17 GMT -8
Best case scenario is Trump, the cornered rat that he is, will run for President in 2024, but the Republican Party terrified of his negative appeal will do everything they can to back DeSantis and build their more traditional coalition of power forcing Trump to run as a 3rd party candidate.
This would mark the end of Maga and a death blow to the Republican Party at the same time.
🤞🏾
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Post by lakeshow on Nov 15, 2022 20:03:00 GMT -8
Best case scenario is Trump, the cornered rat that he is, will run for President in 2024, but the Republican Party terrified of his negative appeal will do everything they can to back DeSantis and build their more traditional coalition of power forcing Trump to run as a 3rd party candidate. This would mark the end of Maga and a death blow to the Republican Party at the same time. 🤞🏾 Yup….looks like that’s what’s going to happen. I’m really going to enjoy watching the GOP civil war bloodbath. Republicans already scared. 🍿 🍿🍿😃😃😃
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