|
Post by lakeshow on Dec 13, 2023 9:44:51 GMT -8
A 10 to 15 game minimum is my guess.
I love Dray, but he has some issues man. That was a straight up sucker swing last night. Inexcusable and dude needs to be held accountable.
Further, I would like to see Dray go after somebody who is just as mean as he is on the court. Stop sucker punching dudes you know won't fight you back. That's what front running tough guys do. So, if you go be an enforcer on the court do it to guys just as tough as you.
Straight up dirty by Dray.
|
|
|
Post by odogg on Dec 13, 2023 13:24:56 GMT -8
How can you love that guy if you are not a Warriors fan?
I think it is pathetic that the Warriors organization has not called him out for this yet and forced him to get help.
|
|
|
Post by lakeshow on Dec 13, 2023 14:44:28 GMT -8
How can you love that guy if you are not a Warriors fan? I think it is pathetic that the Warriors organization has not called him out for this yet and forced him to get help. You can still like a player even though he plays for a different team…..lol. I like several players across the league who are not Laker players. Obviously I don’t like what Dray did but I’ve admired his game going back to 2014. What fan wouldn’t want to have him on their team’s roster? Getting techs and getting thrown out games has never been anything new to him. He’s just gotten out of control recently with his behavior but I’ll always call out bush league antics regardless who it is.
|
|
|
Post by shaolinfighter on Dec 13, 2023 16:00:23 GMT -8
Love Drays competitive fire but have never liked his cheap shots. Don't know how many games he'll get booted for but he'll deserve every bit of what he gets.
|
|
|
Post by lakeshow on Dec 13, 2023 16:16:26 GMT -8
Love Drays competitive fire but have never liked his cheap shots. Don't know how many games he'll get booted for but he'll deserve every bit of what he gets. Exactly how I feel Shao.
|
|
|
Post by history2b on Dec 13, 2023 16:57:04 GMT -8
I wasn’t that taken aback by the latest hit. It was definitely ejection worthy but looked a bit like Nurk played up the contact that actually connected. Stupid move by Dray but I don’t think it’s 10 game suspension worthy. Based on his history I guess they may penalize him a few games but I don’t think it was that extreme of a play.
|
|
|
Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Dec 13, 2023 17:02:10 GMT -8
I wasn’t that taken aback by the latest hit. It was definitely ejection worthy but looked a bit like Nurk played up the contact that actually connected. Stupid move by Dray but I don’t think it’s 10 game suspension worthy. Based on his history I guess they may penalize him a few games but I don’t think it was that extreme of a play. NBA definitely was. indefinite suspension just dropped.
|
|
|
Post by history2b on Dec 13, 2023 17:23:42 GMT -8
I wasn’t that taken aback by the latest hit. It was definitely ejection worthy but looked a bit like Nurk played up the contact that actually connected. Stupid move by Dray but I don’t think it’s 10 game suspension worthy. Based on his history I guess they may penalize him a few games but I don’t think it was that extreme of a play. NBA definitely was. indefinite suspension just dropped. The Rodman treatment. A lot of people talk about how soft the NBA has gotten… this being indefinite suspension is a prime example of that to me. Had the hit been an actual real punch, I’d agree completely. What Jokic did to Morris brother was way worse and didn’t get a single game suspension.
|
|
|
Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Dec 13, 2023 17:26:56 GMT -8
NBA definitely was. indefinite suspension just dropped. The Rodman treatment. A lot of people talk about how soft the NBA has gotten… this being indefinite suspension is a prime example of that to me. Had the hit been an actual real punch, I’d agree completely. What Jokic did to Morris brother was way worse and didn’t get a game suspension. it seems the NBA cares more about past history than they do about the actual acts. Draymond's hit was intentional, it was sort of like Ron Artest elbowing Harden in the side of the head. He knew what he was doing. Jokic definitely deserved a far longer suspension though.
|
|
|
Post by history2b on Dec 13, 2023 17:30:22 GMT -8
The Rodman treatment. A lot of people talk about how soft the NBA has gotten… this being indefinite suspension is a prime example of that to me. Had the hit been an actual real punch, I’d agree completely. What Jokic did to Morris brother was way worse and didn’t get a game suspension. it seems the NBA cares more about past history than they do about the actual acts. Draymond's hit was intentional, it was sort of like Ron Artest elbowing Harden in the side of the head. He knew what he was doing. Jokic definitely deserved a far longer suspension though. Yeah that’s what I meant about comparing it to Rodman (or Artest). It’s about control. Silver and co are looking to control and corral the behavior. It seems like it will be for a minimum 5 games but will probably be contingent on whatever currently unspecified terms the NBA alluded to in the announcement.
|
|
|
Post by odogg on Dec 13, 2023 18:59:07 GMT -8
How can you love that guy if you are not a Warriors fan? I think it is pathetic that the Warriors organization has not called him out for this yet and forced him to get help. You can still like a player even though he plays for a different team…..lol. I like several players across the league who are not Laker players. Obviously I don’t like what Dray did but I’ve admired his game going back to 2014. What fan wouldn’t want to have him on their team’s roster? Getting techs and getting thrown out games has never been anything new to him. He’s just gotten out of control recently with his behavior but I’ll always call out bush league antics regardless who it is. Sure if a guy is likable. Dray is a guy you only like if he is on your team, imo.
|
|
|
Post by history2b on Dec 13, 2023 19:07:40 GMT -8
You can still like a player even though he plays for a different team…..lol. I like several players across the league who are not Laker players. Obviously I don’t like what Dray did but I’ve admired his game going back to 2014. What fan wouldn’t want to have him on their team’s roster? Getting techs and getting thrown out games has never been anything new to him. He’s just gotten out of control recently with his behavior but I’ll always call out bush league antics regardless who it is. Sure if a guy is likable. Dray is a guy you only like if he is on your team, imo. Dray is someone I’ve always liked too, not as much as Dennis and Ron Ron but I’ve always admired his game. He helped to revolutionize the sport. Easy to see how antics bother fans but as someone who loves the game I always admire players who advanced the game in some way.
|
|
|
Post by odogg on Dec 13, 2023 19:11:27 GMT -8
Sure if a guy is likable. Dray is a guy you only like if he is on your team, imo. Dray is someone I’ve always liked too, not as much as Dennis and Ron Ron but I’ve always admired his game. He helped to revolutionize the sport. Easy to see how antics bother fans but as someone who loves the game I always admire players who advanced the game in some way. I would have agreed with this on Dray up until a few years ago. It has become more than “antics”. The dude is literally assaulting people regularly now.
|
|
|
Post by history2b on Dec 13, 2023 19:17:11 GMT -8
Dray is someone I’ve always liked too, not as much as Dennis and Ron Ron but I’ve always admired his game. He helped to revolutionize the sport. Easy to see how antics bother fans but as someone who loves the game I always admire players who advanced the game in some way. I would have agreed with this on Dray up until a few years ago. It has become more than “antics”. The dude is literally assaulting people regularly now. You can’t undo or takeaway what someone has already done. Like if you were a Vince Carter fan, and when he got old he was no longer dunking like he was before so you no longer like him? He still can perform at a high level, saw him do so in the playoffs last year, but the antics have always been apart of his game, imo. He’s the muscle on that team and every team needs muscle.
|
|
hackashaq
::| Basketball Guru |::
Posts: 3,214
|
Post by hackashaq on Dec 13, 2023 21:54:29 GMT -8
I'm gonna take a different tack here.
As much as I can recognize and respect his skill set, he's just a bad dude. He's a bad guy. He exhibits clinical symptoms of malignant narcissism which is made worse with years of enablement by the Warriors. I love Steve Kerr, but he's also part of the problem.
I think he actually enjoys hurting other players and, as he admitted during his press conference the other day, if he had "intended" to hit Nurkic, he wouldn't have even apologized.
He has hit people off the court (remember at Michigan State), he's hit, stomped, kicked, other players and his own teammate, and he hasn't had a modicum of remorse. It served a purpose in his mind, and that is all that mattered.
I know that these things happen in sports and in basketball. Yes these are grown men. Yes it's a tough sport. Punching, kicking, stomping happens all the time.
But not the way Draymond does it. He goes that extra mile...consistently...and shows no remorse or regret. In fact, he praises himself for it. His constant refrain is that he needs that "fire" in order to be who he is and play the way he needs to play?
Really? It seems like justification for being a malignant narcissist. "Oh look, it's just for my game, and I play the game so good don't I. Hey Kerr, dare you to take me off the court!"
He's a bad guy. He's just a bad guy. That's all there is to him. Yes, it's gotten to that point with me. I will be extremely glad if his suspension is long and painful for him and the Warriors. This is not because I'm a Laker fan, it's because Draymond needs to get slapped upside the head himself, and Kerr, and Klay, and Steph, and the Warrior organization needs to learn a lesson about enabling bad guys and bad players behaving consistently badly.
I'd really be happy if he gets a 1/2 season suspension or longer.
I despise what Draymond is, who he has become, and what he does.
|
|
|
Post by chiefsdodgerslakers24 on Dec 13, 2023 23:00:38 GMT -8
I personally see Draymond Green as a posterboy of a version of basketball that I don't like all that much. Guy who constantly screams at referees while committing 20 illegal picks per game all to get Steph and Klay wide open. The poster boy of taking the rules to the very limit and beyond to gain an advantage.
|
|
|
Post by samadams10 on Dec 14, 2023 7:31:01 GMT -8
That was pretty rough to see. Why he got to flail his arms like that? Unnecessary. His best excuse was he was flopping. Even the dude sitting courtside was in shock. That contact must've been loud.
I hate Gobert but even his choke drag was overly excessive. He dragged him out 15 feet. Wtf is he coming to court high?
|
|
|
Post by shopson67 on Dec 14, 2023 10:09:14 GMT -8
The Rodman treatment. A lot of people talk about how soft the NBA has gotten… this being indefinite suspension is a prime example of that to me. Had the hit been an actual real punch, I’d agree completely. What Jokic did to Morris brother was way worse and didn’t get a game suspension. it seems the NBA cares more about past history than they do about the actual acts. Draymond's hit was intentional, it was sort of like Ron Artest elbowing Harden in the side of the head. He knew what he was doing. Jokic definitely deserved a far longer suspension though. Such a pleasant memory...
|
|
hackashaq
::| Basketball Guru |::
Posts: 3,214
|
Post by hackashaq on Dec 14, 2023 10:46:16 GMT -8
That was pretty rough to see. Why he got to flail his arms like that? Unnecessary. His best excuse was he was flopping. Even the dude sitting courtside was in shock. That contact must've been loud. I hate Gobert but even his choke drag was overly excessive. He dragged him out 15 feet. Wtf is he coming to court high? I mean, he could be. If he’s just a malignant narcissist like I think, it will take a lot of counseling and therapy to get it right. If he’s on something, that’s a substance abuse issue. I mean he could be over stimulated. It’s not really “high” but “amped” which would be more like a stimulate (uppers or amphetamines). Baseball players are often accused of using some kind of uppers. The thing is he is otherwise an intelligent guy when speaking about certain things, so it’s not an addiction issue in my book. This is just him. This is who he is. Like I said, he’s a bad guy, and he needs some deep, severe, behavioral counseling and therapy.
|
|
|
Post by lakeshow on Dec 14, 2023 12:06:52 GMT -8
One of the acid tests I use when making judgments about things that happen to other teams or players is how I would feel if it happened to my team or to a player on my team. If my feeling about it is the same no matter what, then I feel pretty good about my position whether people agree with it or not. If there's a different attitude I have based on WHO it happened to, then there's some level of hypocrisy. Example--I've gone back and forth plenty with people about the whole super team approach in the NBA. There are people who feel very strongly against it (like some here cough cough Sammy.... ) and there are those who welcome it and don't mind it (me). And me and Sammy have had multiple debates and arguments here about that over the years. I've said that I don't have a problem if players go to other teams to form a super team. And I don't have any issue with someone who feels otherwise, but I would have less respect for them if they were a Laker fan and then had a change in attitude because Lakers became a super team. In the case of Dray, this was a straight up sucker punch. There was nothing unintentional about it if you look at it closely. I honestly don't know how someone can come to any other conclusion than that. The way Dray swung around and how he hit Nurkic is not natural at all. Had that happened to somebody on OUR team, what would the response be? Dray sounded like a complete idiot up there when he was asked about it at the press conference afterwards. He definitely knew what he was doing and honestly, I just don't understand it. So he felt like he was fouled. Does that give you the right to just sucker punch somebody in the face because you didn't get the call? I agree with Hack in that this is not an antic this is straight up cheap shot thuggery on the court. That said, I won't go as far as saying that the guy is just a "bad dude". Dray has some issues, I don't know what they are, I don't know him, and I'm not a psychologist, but what I do know is that this pattern of behavior is not right nor is it normal. Dray is very intelligent and has a future career on tv as an analyst if he wanted to go in that direction after he retires from playing. He's been a winner and has been a central cog in the Warriors championships. And while his behavior has hurt his team, I do believe he is a guy who is extremely loyal to his teammates and will do anything to protect them. Personally, I don't think it's fair to call him a "bad guy" for that. Does he have issues? Yes. Is he troubled? Perhaps. A bad guy? No. Last thing, this also falls on Kerr and the Warriors front office. I think they've allowed Dray to get away with this stuff for too long. Obviously, any repercussions he's had was not enough. Steph probably also has a degree of fault here too for letting this get to this point with Dray. At some point Steph, Klay and those veterans got to pull him aside and tell him look man, enough is enough. This kind of play is not hurting us because WE suffer as a team when you're not on the court.
|
|