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Post by samadams10 on Dec 14, 2023 13:06:27 GMT -8
One of the acid tests I use when making judgments about things that happen to other teams or players is how I would feel if it happened to my team or to a player on my team. If my feeling about it is the same no matter what, then I feel pretty good about my position whether people agree with it or not. If there's a different attitude I have based on WHO it happened to, then there's some level of hypocrisy. Example--I've gone back and forth plenty with people about the whole super team approach in the NBA. There are people who feel very strongly against it (like some here cough cough Sammy.... ) and there are those who welcome it and don't mind it (me). And me and Sammy have had multiple debates and arguments here about that over the years. I've said that I don't have a problem if players go to other teams to form a super team. And I don't have any issue with someone who feels otherwise, but I would have less respect for them if they were a Laker fan and then had a change in attitude because Lakers became a super team. In the case of Dray, this was a straight up sucker punch. There was nothing unintentional about it if you look at it closely. I honestly don't know how someone can come to any other conclusion than that. The way Dray swung around and how he hit Nurkic is not natural at all. Had that happened to somebody on OUR team, what would the response be? Dray sounded like a complete idiot up there when he was asked about it at the press conference afterwards. He definitely knew what he was doing and honestly, I just don't understand it. So he felt like he was fouled. Does that give you the right to just sucker punch somebody in the face because you didn't get the call? I agree with Hack in that this is not an antic this is straight up cheap shot thuggery on the court. That said, I won't go as far as saying that the guy is just a "bad dude". Dray has some issues, I don't know what they are, I don't know him, and I'm not a psychologist, but what I do know is that this pattern of behavior is not right nor is it normal. Dray is very intelligent and has a future career on tv as an analyst if he wanted to go in that direction after he retires from playing. He's been a winner and has been a central cog in the Warriors championships. And while his behavior has hurt his team, I do believe he is a guy who is extremely loyal to his teammates and will do anything to protect them. Personally, I don't think it's fair to call him a "bad guy" for that. Does he have issues? Yes. Is he troubled? Perhaps. A bad guy? No. Last thing, this also falls on Kerr and the Warriors front office. I think they've allowed Dray to get away with this stuff for too long. Obviously, any repercussions he's had was not enough. Steph probably also has a degree of fault here too for letting this get to this point with Dray. At some point Steph, Klay and those veterans got to pull him aside and tell him look man, enough is enough. This kind of play is not hurting us because WE suffer as a team when you're not on the court. 😁😆. Thankfully the Lakers have yet to be a super team. Once they do,I'll resign from being a laker fan.
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Post by samadams10 on Dec 14, 2023 13:23:28 GMT -8
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Post by odogg on Dec 14, 2023 14:24:16 GMT -8
One of the acid tests I use when making judgments about things that happen to other teams or players is how I would feel if it happened to my team or to a player on my team. If my feeling about it is the same no matter what, then I feel pretty good about my position whether people agree with it or not. If there's a different attitude I have based on WHO it happened to, then there's some level of hypocrisy. Example--I've gone back and forth plenty with people about the whole super team approach in the NBA. There are people who feel very strongly against it (like some here cough cough Sammy.... ) and there are those who welcome it and don't mind it (me). And me and Sammy have had multiple debates and arguments here about that over the years. I've said that I don't have a problem if players go to other teams to form a super team. And I don't have any issue with someone who feels otherwise, but I would have less respect for them if they were a Laker fan and then had a change in attitude because Lakers became a super team. In the case of Dray, this was a straight up sucker punch. There was nothing unintentional about it if you look at it closely. I honestly don't know how someone can come to any other conclusion than that. The way Dray swung around and how he hit Nurkic is not natural at all. Had that happened to somebody on OUR team, what would the response be? Dray sounded like a complete idiot up there when he was asked about it at the press conference afterwards. He definitely knew what he was doing and honestly, I just don't understand it. So he felt like he was fouled. Does that give you the right to just sucker punch somebody in the face because you didn't get the call? I agree with Hack in that this is not an antic this is straight up cheap shot thuggery on the court. That said, I won't go as far as saying that the guy is just a "bad dude". Dray has some issues, I don't know what they are, I don't know him, and I'm not a psychologist, but what I do know is that this pattern of behavior is not right nor is it normal. Dray is very intelligent and has a future career on tv as an analyst if he wanted to go in that direction after he retires from playing. He's been a winner and has been a central cog in the Warriors championships. And while his behavior has hurt his team, I do believe he is a guy who is extremely loyal to his teammates and will do anything to protect them. Personally, I don't think it's fair to call him a "bad guy" for that. Does he have issues? Yes. Is he troubled? Perhaps. A bad guy? No. Last thing, this also falls on Kerr and the Warriors front office. I think they've allowed Dray to get away with this stuff for too long. Obviously, any repercussions he's had was not enough. Steph probably also has a degree of fault here too for letting this get to this point with Dray. At some point Steph, Klay and those veterans got to pull him aside and tell him look man, enough is enough. This kind of play is not hurting us because WE suffer as a team when you're not on the court. 😁😆. Thankfully the Lakers have yet to be a super team. Once they do,I'll resign from being a laker fan. LeGM tried it with the Westbrook trade and it had the opposite effect.
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Post by history2b on Dec 14, 2023 14:48:11 GMT -8
One of the acid tests I use when making judgments about things that happen to other teams or players is how I would feel if it happened to my team or to a player on my team. If my feeling about it is the same no matter what, then I feel pretty good about my position whether people agree with it or not. If there's a different attitude I have based on WHO it happened to, then there's some level of hypocrisy. Example--I've gone back and forth plenty with people about the whole super team approach in the NBA. There are people who feel very strongly against it (like some here cough cough Sammy.... ) and there are those who welcome it and don't mind it (me). And me and Sammy have had multiple debates and arguments here about that over the years. I've said that I don't have a problem if players go to other teams to form a super team. And I don't have any issue with someone who feels otherwise, but I would have less respect for them if they were a Laker fan and then had a change in attitude because Lakers became a super team. In the case of Dray, this was a straight up sucker punch. There was nothing unintentional about it if you look at it closely. I honestly don't know how someone can come to any other conclusion than that. The way Dray swung around and how he hit Nurkic is not natural at all. Had that happened to somebody on OUR team, what would the response be? Dray sounded like a complete idiot up there when he was asked about it at the press conference afterwards. He definitely knew what he was doing and honestly, I just don't understand it. So he felt like he was fouled. Does that give you the right to just sucker punch somebody in the face because you didn't get the call? I agree with Hack in that this is not an antic this is straight up cheap shot thuggery on the court. That said, I won't go as far as saying that the guy is just a "bad dude". Dray has some issues, I don't know what they are, I don't know him, and I'm not a psychologist, but what I do know is that this pattern of behavior is not right nor is it normal. Dray is very intelligent and has a future career on tv as an analyst if he wanted to go in that direction after he retires from playing. He's been a winner and has been a central cog in the Warriors championships. And while his behavior has hurt his team, I do believe he is a guy who is extremely loyal to his teammates and will do anything to protect them. Personally, I don't think it's fair to call him a "bad guy" for that. Does he have issues? Yes. Is he troubled? Perhaps. A bad guy? No. Last thing, this also falls on Kerr and the Warriors front office. I think they've allowed Dray to get away with this stuff for too long. Obviously, any repercussions he's had was not enough. Steph probably also has a degree of fault here too for letting this get to this point with Dray. At some point Steph, Klay and those veterans got to pull him aside and tell him look man, enough is enough. This kind of play is not hurting us because WE suffer as a team when you're not on the court. Feel the same way. If Dray made that hit on Lebron or AD, I’d take my 2 free throws and move on. The NBA has become too much like Soccer for my liking. Every contact is played up like a super hit so as to draw the call from the ref. If that same wind up / hit takes place in the 80s or 90s the Nurkic player doesn’t fall to the floor holding his face. He takes the hit and a full on brawl would ensue. I’m glad that brawls don’t happen like that anymore but the acting that has happened as a result is lame to me. When looking at the replay you can see Draymond winds up, spins then hesitates on the follow through. Will Smith hit Chris Rock harder. I didn’t see Chris Rock drop to the floor.
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Post by lakeshow on Dec 14, 2023 17:38:39 GMT -8
One of the acid tests I use when making judgments about things that happen to other teams or players is how I would feel if it happened to my team or to a player on my team. If my feeling about it is the same no matter what, then I feel pretty good about my position whether people agree with it or not. If there's a different attitude I have based on WHO it happened to, then there's some level of hypocrisy. Example--I've gone back and forth plenty with people about the whole super team approach in the NBA. There are people who feel very strongly against it (like some here cough cough Sammy.... ) and there are those who welcome it and don't mind it (me). And me and Sammy have had multiple debates and arguments here about that over the years. I've said that I don't have a problem if players go to other teams to form a super team. And I don't have any issue with someone who feels otherwise, but I would have less respect for them if they were a Laker fan and then had a change in attitude because Lakers became a super team. In the case of Dray, this was a straight up sucker punch. There was nothing unintentional about it if you look at it closely. I honestly don't know how someone can come to any other conclusion than that. The way Dray swung around and how he hit Nurkic is not natural at all. Had that happened to somebody on OUR team, what would the response be? Dray sounded like a complete idiot up there when he was asked about it at the press conference afterwards. He definitely knew what he was doing and honestly, I just don't understand it. So he felt like he was fouled. Does that give you the right to just sucker punch somebody in the face because you didn't get the call? I agree with Hack in that this is not an antic this is straight up cheap shot thuggery on the court. That said, I won't go as far as saying that the guy is just a "bad dude". Dray has some issues, I don't know what they are, I don't know him, and I'm not a psychologist, but what I do know is that this pattern of behavior is not right nor is it normal. Dray is very intelligent and has a future career on tv as an analyst if he wanted to go in that direction after he retires from playing. He's been a winner and has been a central cog in the Warriors championships. And while his behavior has hurt his team, I do believe he is a guy who is extremely loyal to his teammates and will do anything to protect them. Personally, I don't think it's fair to call him a "bad guy" for that. Does he have issues? Yes. Is he troubled? Perhaps. A bad guy? No. Last thing, this also falls on Kerr and the Warriors front office. I think they've allowed Dray to get away with this stuff for too long. Obviously, any repercussions he's had was not enough. Steph probably also has a degree of fault here too for letting this get to this point with Dray. At some point Steph, Klay and those veterans got to pull him aside and tell him look man, enough is enough. This kind of play is not hurting us because WE suffer as a team when you're not on the court. Feel the same way. If Dray made that hit on Lebron or AD, I’d take my 2 free throws and move on. The NBA has become too much like Soccer for my liking. Every contact is played up like a super hit so as to draw the call from the ref. If that same wind up / hit takes place in the 80s or 90s the Nurkic player doesn’t fall to the floor holding his face. He takes the hit and a full on brawl would ensue. I’m glad that brawls don’t happen like that anymore but the acting that has happened as a result is lame to me. When looking at the replay you can see Draymond winds up, spins then hesitates on the follow through. Will Smith hit Chris Rock harder. I didn’t see Chris Rock drop to the floor. Whether Nurkic acted or not it still looked reckless to me. I don’t like the flopping either, but at the same time these guys are not weaklings. Dray is a pretty strong dude. If you’re flailing your arms like that and you make contact with somebody’s FACE, I don’t care how tough you are, you’re going to feel that and you will be stung for a while. It’s irrelevant whether Nurkic went down or not, it was still unnecessary in my book.
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Post by history2b on Dec 14, 2023 19:10:54 GMT -8
Sure he felt it and definitely it was reckless.
But we’ve moved onto a new era of basketball: the actors era. Everything is over dramatized for the effect winning calls. Like pro soccer.
I’m not a fan of that.
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Post by hackashaq on Dec 14, 2023 21:21:18 GMT -8
Sure he felt it and definitely it was reckless. But we’ve moved onto a new era of basketball: the actors era. Everything is over dramatized for the effect winning calls. Like pro soccer. I’m not a fan of that. Respectfully, I think you are focusing on the wrong thing. Did Nurkic act it out? Perhaps, but I've never been smacked unexpectedly by someone the size and strength of Draymond, so who am I to say. But did Gobert "act out" when Draymond had him in a choke hold? When, Poole got punched and knocked out by Draymond during practice, was Poole acting out for the refs? What refs? When Draymond apparently punched a Michigan State player a few years ago, was that for the benefit of the refs? Lebron barely acted out anything when he got hit in the gnads and confronted Draymond directly, but that was spotted by the refs. Kicking Steven Adams in the gnads was acting out? You can reminisce about the old NBA all you want, but that's not the current NBA. Today is not the NBA of late night, tape delayed playoff games, or Kermit Washington essentially ending Rudy Tomjonavich's career with a sucker punch. Trust me, I remember the tape delay years and they sucked. Nothing fun about watching "tough" NBA players duke it out at 11:30 PM PST. But beyond letting the so-called tough era of basketball go into history where it belongs, the issue is about Draymond and his actions, not the recipients of Draymond's anger management issues. Victim blaming and gas-lighting isn't fair in my book. I reiterate. Draymond is a bad guy. His actions, described in the best terms, are stupid and puts himself and his team in a vulnerable position. At worst, he's a danger to other players who may not have the opportunity to "act" because they are either knocked out (like Poole) or choked out. Who knows? The Warriors can't clearly be trusted to reign in bad behaviors, and rather, seem to reward such bad behavior by trading away the victims of assault and giving the perpetrator a hefty extension. How much worse will the actions get after such rewards? Geezus, Kerr is already saying that they are going to "help" Draymond rather than punish him. I mean who is getting the "soft" treatment here? Everyone keeps saying how the "old" NBA was. The old NBA was not a gladiator school. It never was. Fouls were harder, yes, but no one put on boxing gloves game in and game out. No stomping on guys chests while they were on the floor...it wasn't an everyday occurrence. Players weren't punched in the face everyday. Not every foul was a Rambis getting clothes-lined event. Please stop making it out like it was. I was there, it wasn't like that. And don't compare the NBA with soccer. That's a gross exaggeration. Soccer players are Oscar worthy actors, but it's also because of the nature of the game. The pitch is huge, the action more episodic, a penalty can have a much greater, a huge, impact on the game. A penalty kick maybe the only score in the game. For them, it's worth it to act like they were shot...they are hugely incentivized to do so. It's not nearly the same problem in the NBA. It's orders of magnitude worse in Soccer. The long and the short of it is that Draymond is a bad guy, and I don't give a rat's ass if it's some kind of personal thing or not. He needs a LONG timeout, and he should stop being praised for bad behavior.
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Post by history2b on Dec 14, 2023 22:07:11 GMT -8
Sorry I am going to compare what I am seeing from NBA players in the modern to soccer players because I see it with my own eyes and no one is going to tell me what I see with my own eyes except me.
Nurkic is 7 foot 295lbs.
Draymond flung his like a bothered little bitch and slapped Jusuf. That contact from 6’7” 240lb Dray leveled the biggest guy in the league to floor writhing in pain? Fucking please. That was an act job if Ive ever seen one. And YES everyone is now reacting to the ACT not the actual level of contact. Jusuf didn’t have a mark on his face after because it wasn’t a full force hit. It was reckless flailing backhand. Had Nurk taken the hit and then just gotten angry looking to the officials Draymond might not have even gotten ejected. But his ACT got the job done. Bravo big Nurk.
Kobe Bryant did something akin to this on his shot attempts about a dozen times until the NBA suspended him too. Is he also a malignant narcissist because he did that? Of course not.
I saw Jusuf win an academy award last night with how many people he’s fooled into thinking a guy a fraction of his size backhand slapped him and leveled him to the floor. An absolute joke and soccer bitch move.
Draymond can still be ejected, fined and suspended without it being some bogus Mike Tyson faked hit. And that’s what I saw. I’d rather see LESS acting in this regard because this is by far no isolated incident. Lebron and AD play up contact with the best of them. Most players are learning to do so. And it’s because the refs react to the act more than they do the actual contact.
Bad for the sport and weak af.
As far as Gobert and Poole go I say lol at both of those bitch ass players. Rudy fucked around and found out and Poole got his big mouth blasted. The league handled the former and the Warriors handled the latter. They could have sent Dray packing but instead they sent Jordan packing.
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Post by history2b on Dec 14, 2023 22:51:12 GMT -8
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Post by samadams10 on Dec 15, 2023 16:25:37 GMT -8
Bro 2b I'm a bit surprised at your stance on Dray. Even if Nurcic flopped and Rudy effed around and found out, isn't there enough history with him at this point for him to join longer enjoy the benefit of the doubt. What about stomping on the one dudes chest and targeting more than one pair of family jewels? It's never ending with this guy it seems. I'll give you Poole he's a Biach dubs did the right thing there but all this other shit just adds up to a lot IMO. Here are his greatest hits. Pun intended. www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcRua6J/
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Post by history2b on Dec 15, 2023 16:41:10 GMT -8
Bro 2b I'm a bit surprised at your stance on Dray. Even if Nurcic flopped and Rudy effed around and found out, isn't there enough history with him at this point for him to join longer enjoy the benefit of the doubt. What about stomping on the one dudes chest and targeting more than one pair of family jewels? It's never ending with this guy it seems. I'll give you Poole he's a Biach dubs did the right thing there but all this other shit just adds up to a lot IMO. Here are his greatest hits. Pun intended. www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcRua6J/What do people want? Banned from the NBA? I heard people crying for the same thing about Ron Artest both after the Palace and also every incident that occurred after. I disagreed with them about that then just as I do now. Headlocking Rudy was pretty rough but he got the appropriate 5 game suspension. What he did to Nurkic wasn’t as bad imo, reckless and dumb but not as bad. So he’s supposed to be banned what now? 50 games because Nurkic threw himself to the floor? I stand by my position that Nurkic throwing himself to the ground writhing in fake pain is what made this a much bigger issue than what it was. The refs reviewed it and kicked him out. Cool. Play on now and stop bitching. Go back and watch the play. The play by play and color team were discussing whether he’d be getting a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2. People after the fact acted like he Kermit Washington’d somebody. And I think it’s a testament to how weak the league is becoming when it comes to physicality. Dray is a medium sized guy wrestling the biggest guys on the floor and he goes overboard at times. Shaq defended Draymond’s headlock on Gobert, even if I thought it was extreme. He said as the big guy on the floor it’s your job to take care of your squad. Shaq himself threw a Kermit Washington type swing at Charles that could have been devastating. It didn’t connect but had it would everyone here be talking about banning Shaq from playing again?
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Post by shaolinfighter on Dec 15, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -8
Nurkic definitely flopped and oversold the contact. Draymond didn't throw anything hard or with a closed fist. Still the action was way overboard and would likely cause a brawl if it was done to almost anyone other than a big softy like Nurkic. I understand the NBA giving him a lengthy suspension and sending a message that it won't be tolerated so that other players don't look at it and think they can get away with something like that with a slap on the wrist. Don't want any brawls.
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Post by samadams10 on Dec 15, 2023 16:48:17 GMT -8
Bro 2b I'm a bit surprised at your stance on Dray. Even if Nurcic flopped and Rudy effed around and found out, isn't there enough history with him at this point for him to join longer enjoy the benefit of the doubt. What about stomping on the one dudes chest and targeting more than one pair of family jewels? It's never ending with this guy it seems. I'll give you Poole he's a Biach dubs did the right thing there but all this other shit just adds up to a lot IMO. Here are his greatest hits. Pun intended. www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcRua6J/What do people want? Banned from the NBA? I heard people crying for the same thing about Ron Artest both after the Palace and also every incident that occurred after. I disagreed with them about that then just as I do now. Headlocking Rudy was pretty rough but he got the appropriate 5 game suspension. What he did to Nurkic wasn’t as bad imo, reckless and dumb but not as bad. So he’s supposed to be banned what now? 50 games because Nurkic threw himself to the floor? I stand by my position that Nurkic throwing himself to the ground writhing in fake pain is what made this a much bigger issue than what it was. The refs reviewed it and kicked him out. Cool. Play on now and stop bitching. Go back and watch the play. The play by play and color team were discussing whether he’d be getting a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2. People after the fact acted like he Kermit Washington’d somebody. And I think it’s a testament to how weak the league is becoming when it comes to physicality. Dray is a medium sized guy wrestling the biggest guys on the floor and he goes overboard at times. Shaq defended Draymond’s headlock on Gobert, even if I thought it was extreme. He said as the big guy on the floor it’s your job to take care of your squad. Shaq himself threw a Kermit Washington type swing at Charles that could have been devastating. It didn’t connect but had it would everyone here be talking about banning Shaq from playing again? I think that's the key point - his indefinite suspension is not as a result of the Nurkic incident alone. Nurkic was the last straw IMHO. Problem is he's been a menace for a while now and in too much proximity of violent events. He cost the Dubs too many games with his temper including a championship potentially and too many monetary fines to himself. Looks like the league had no choice this time even if Nurcik incident in isolation is weak. In aggregation there is enough there for the league to take action. My memory maybe foggy but Arrest had those couple of mercurial actions with the malaise at the palace and smashing of the camera - not recalling a string of increasingly violent behavior. He was a model citizen with the Lakers Here's another take on incidents. www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcRhvt2/
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Post by history2b on Dec 15, 2023 16:58:18 GMT -8
Ron Artest elbowed James Harden in the temple of his head full force as a Laker in 2011? A hit that was FAAR worse than any hit Draymond has ever made. He was suspended 7 games. A few years before that he nearly choked out Kobe when he was a Rocket. Far from a model citizen but he did adapt to the reputation better than Dray.
The thing to me is that Ron was vicious and I surely wouldn’t want his smoke. But Draymond is more WWE style embellished overdramatized. I thought the foot stomp play last year was way overblown too. The stomp was pro wrestling style of both feet stomping at once, which is different than a hard plant and one foot straight down full force.
The better comparison might be Dennis Rodman who very similarly got into scuffles quite frequently and did so for the competitive edge on opponents. I think there is a place for this level of physicality in the game but it’s a fine line. One that gets crossed by those willing to toe it. There are only a handful of players who can even deliver this part of the game to a team.
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Post by lakeshow on Dec 15, 2023 17:20:56 GMT -8
Bro 2b I'm a bit surprised at your stance on Dray. Even if Nurcic flopped and Rudy effed around and found out, isn't there enough history with him at this point for him to join longer enjoy the benefit of the doubt. What about stomping on the one dudes chest and targeting more than one pair of family jewels? It's never ending with this guy it seems. I'll give you Poole he's a Biach dubs did the right thing there but all this other shit just adds up to a lot IMO. Here are his greatest hits. Pun intended. www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcRua6J/What do people want? Banned from the NBA? I heard people crying for the same thing about Ron Artest both after the Palace and also every incident that occurred after. I disagreed with them about that then just as I do now. Headlocking Rudy was pretty rough but he got the appropriate 5 game suspension. What he did to Nurkic wasn’t as bad imo, reckless and dumb but not as bad. So he’s supposed to be banned what now? 50 games because Nurkic threw himself to the floor? I stand by my position that Nurkic throwing himself to the ground writhing in fake pain is what made this a much bigger issue than what it was. The refs reviewed it and kicked him out. Cool. Play on now and stop bitching. Go back and watch the play. The play by play and color team were discussing whether he’d be getting a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2. People after the fact acted like he Kermit Washington’d somebody. And I think it’s a testament to how weak the league is becoming when it comes to physicality. Dray is a medium sized guy wrestling the biggest guys on the floor and he goes overboard at times. Shaq defended Draymond’s headlock on Gobert, even if I thought it was extreme. He said as the big guy on the floor it’s your job to take care of your squad. Shaq himself threw a Kermit Washington type swing at Charles that could have been devastating. It didn’t connect but had it would everyone here be talking about banning Shaq from playing again? I’ll take being reckless and dumb. Bro 2b, Shaq is a bad example. Did Shaq ever have the reputation Dray has about dirty cheap shots? In fact, Shaq was the one taking abuse because nobody could stop him. I know we’ll ultimately still disagree and I know you’ve been around the game for a long time. But I still think you are underestimating the throw that Dray gave to Nurk. Again if somebody is swinging at you the way he did and it lands on your face, trust and believe that is going to hurt. And I have looked at that over and over. It wasn’t a slap. Dray connected with him with at least a half fist/wrist connection. At the speed and recklessness Dray swung he could have easily broken a nose or fractured a bone on that man. This ain’t got nothin to do with softness or being weak. Anybody would have been either in the floor after that hit or bent over in pain. Nobody here is calling for Dray to be banned, but this kind of nonsense Dray is pulling is not only hurting him, but I think we can all agree that it’s hurting his team because it means their best defender will not be on the floor anytime soon helping his team as their struggles continue.
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Post by history2b on Dec 15, 2023 17:32:45 GMT -8
We definitely disagree about Nurkic’s reaction. Did the hit hurt? Maybe the whack stung for a couple seconds but I wholeheartedly believe the fall to the floor was an act. Lots and lots of players are overreacting to contact, hard and soft, in order to illustrate to refs that they got hit. I hate that part of the game now.
Like I said Nurk’s a big dude, humongous in fact. An honest reaction would be take the hit, maybe bend over and hold your face while wincing.
But drop down to the floor like Mike Tyson threw an overhand right? Bullshit.
Regarding Shaq and Dray, there really isn’t much of a comparison between the 2 in terms of their game and Shaq would never be granted the right to be as nasty as Draymond, Rodman etc because he’s Goliath. My only point about him was he said he liked what Draymond did to Rudy and said he’d do the same.
Personally I think Draymond is unraveling because the Warriors stink and he knows it. Why wouldn’t I celebrate that? I’m supposed to be concerned that he’s messing up their team?
Lol, not a chance.
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Post by samadams10 on Dec 15, 2023 17:52:57 GMT -8
We definitely disagree about Nurkic’s reaction. Did the hit hurt? Maybe the whack stung for a couple seconds but I wholeheartedly believe the fall to the floor was an act. Lots and lots of players are overreacting to contact, hard and soft, in order to illustrate to refs that they got hit. I hate that part of the game now. Like I said Nurk’s a big dude, humongous in fact. An honest reaction would be take the hit, maybe bend over and hold your face while wincing. But drop down to the floor like Mike Tyson threw an overhand right? Bullshit. Regarding Shaq and Dray, there really isn’t much of a comparison between the 2 in terms of their game and Shaq would never be granted the right to be as nasty as Draymond, Rodman etc because he’s Goliath. My only point about him was he said he liked what Draymond did to Rudy and said he’d do the same. Personally I think Draymond is unraveling because the Warriors stink and he knows it. Why wouldn’t I celebrate that? I’m supposed to be concerned that he’s messing up their team? Lol, not a chance. 😁😁. Yes I'm glad the warrior reign has come to an end.
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Post by lakeshow on Dec 15, 2023 18:11:14 GMT -8
We definitely disagree about Nurkic’s reaction. Did the hit hurt? Maybe the whack stung for a couple seconds but I wholeheartedly believe the fall to the floor was an act. Lots and lots of players are overreacting to contact, hard and soft, in order to illustrate to refs that they got hit. I hate that part of the game now. Like I said Nurk’s a big dude, humongous in fact. An honest reaction would be take the hit, maybe bend over and hold your face while wincing. But drop down to the floor like Mike Tyson threw an overhand right? Bullshit. Regarding Shaq and Dray, there really isn’t much of a comparison between the 2 in terms of their game and Shaq would never be granted the right to be as nasty as Draymond, Rodman etc because he’s Goliath. My only point about him was he said he liked what Draymond did to Rudy and said he’d do the same. Personally I think Draymond is unraveling because the Warriors stink and he knows it. Why wouldn’t I celebrate that? I’m supposed to be concerned that he’s messing up their team? Lol, not a chance. Nurk’s reaction is irrelevant to me. I’m speaking solely about the force, recklessness, and deliberate cheapshot by Dray. And trust and believe I’m not crying for the Warriors, but like you, I care about the integrity of the game.
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Post by history2b on Dec 15, 2023 18:25:48 GMT -8
But would it be if the exact play happens and he swung and hits Nurkic’s arm that was holding him by the hip instead of his face? Is it still dirty and violating the integrity of the sport if that were what happened?
I ask because he turned and spun quickly while swinging, not facing up and throwing a hit at the head.
I also ask because I posted a story FROM 5 YEARS AGO how Nurkic leads all players in getting flagrantly hit in the face more than any other player in over 2 decades. He must be winning that race by a wide mile now. It’s not that it justifies Draymond’s recklessness but I do think intentions matter to an extent.
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Post by hackashaq on Dec 16, 2023 15:11:51 GMT -8
How about this. Draymond doesn't have to take any swing there. None. How about that? It wasn't close to necessary.
Dray put himself in that position because he felt a swing was warranted.
This is why that mentality, his way if dealing with things like that, to swing away, kick away, stomp away, choke away....that is what makes him a bad guy.
Counseling...electroshock therapy, I don't give a flying f*ck....dude is a bad guy and needs to be punished.
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