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Post by lakeshow on Feb 16, 2017 19:57:54 GMT -8
And furthermore, it's SAD when my students are more well read on important matters than the president of the United States.
He didn't even know what the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) was when questioned by a reporter today.
This guy makes more and more of a mockery of the Office by the second.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 16, 2017 20:27:46 GMT -8
And furthermore, it's SAD when my students are more well read on important matters than the president of the United States. He didn't even know what the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) was when questioned by a reporter today. This guy makes more and more of a mockery of the Office by the second. And he asked a veteran White House reporter to set up the meeting for him as if she worked for him and was his secretary. AND the CBC had already sent Trump two letters for a meeting that were ignored by Trump or his cronies. This is a disaster on many fronts.
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Post by history2b on Feb 16, 2017 22:05:06 GMT -8
6 Patriot players refusing to attend the White House...... First time I EVER put a smile on my face by any actions from players from a Boston/New England team. Well at least we the tax payers wont have to pay a bunch of cheaters to eat dinner. I hated both presidential candidates so I really do not care what Trump does. He is doing the same bullshit every other president has done, but just more blatantly and lacking tact. What is really disappointing is the response from the Left. I consider myself to be Liberal, but the left is just embarrassing since the fall of Hillary. Actors and young entitled morons are spouting some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard. If you want to bring down Trump you better have some people that do not tell tales told by an idiot that are full of sound and fury which signify nothing. Honestly people just need to move on and get him out in 4 years. GW has proved that no matter how corrupt and idiotic you are the sun will still come up in the morning. Nah. I think you're wrong brother red. I wasn't a W fan but this is not the same situation. If you sit and wait for 4 years to come there will only be 1 of 2 things: - a vastly different world - no world altogether I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am not a doomsday gloom and doomer. This is my most honest intellectual offering I've ever extended on the boards. If you can't see the authoritarian power grab taking place right now before your eyes you're not alone. But I can assure that's exactly what it is. Anyone who sleepwalks through this time, IMO, is walking a very fine line with all the world watching. History is watching.
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Post by history2b on Feb 16, 2017 22:15:20 GMT -8
And furthermore, it's SAD when my students are more well read on important matters than the president of the United States. He didn't even know what the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) was when questioned by a reporter today. This guy makes more and more of a mockery of the Office by the second. Sure but T you're saying that as if there is a supportive audience behind issues like this. I don't mean to say I personally don't agree with you, I do, but the reality of the political and social landscape shows that there are many many many people who do not. THat encapsulates the bigger issue(s) overall.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 16, 2017 23:55:21 GMT -8
And furthermore, it's SAD when my students are more well read on important matters than the president of the United States. He didn't even know what the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) was when questioned by a reporter today. This guy makes more and more of a mockery of the Office by the second. Sure but T you're saying that as if there is a supportive audience behind issues like this. I don't mean to say I personally don't agree with you, I do, but the reality of the political and social shows that there are many many many people who do not. THat encapsulates the bigger issue(s) overall. Not sure I'm following what you're saying 2b in light of your reference to the post you're quoting me on.......
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Post by history2b on Feb 17, 2017 1:07:20 GMT -8
I'm just pointing out that unlike past times, where factions are split between parties lines and ideas, Trumps movement is a part of a deliberate rejection of "multicultural" ideology and respect. He very clearly projected an attitude that was overtly against "political correctness," feminism, etc.
If you were to bring up a point that he didn't know who or what the CBC is, you have to see the millions of people behind him, smirking, rejoicing over the reality that their president does not give one shit about black people. This is apart of the troll.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 17, 2017 7:59:33 GMT -8
I'm just pointing out that unlike past times, where factions are split between parties lines and ideas, Trumps movement is a part of a deliberate rejection of "multicultural" ideology and respect. He very clearly projected an attitude that was overtly against "political correctness," feminism, etc. If you were to bring up a point that he didn't know who or what the CBC is, you have to see the millions of people behind him, smirking, rejoicing over the reality that their president does not give one shit about black people. This is apart of the troll. Sure, I completely understand there are plenty of people who will support him at all costs regardless of what comes out of his mouth for sure. My main point though was in addressing Red's argument in which he said he hated both candidates and that he doesn't care what Trump does. We've all heard the old slogan that voting for politicians is choosing the "lesser of two evils" and I think that argument has some merit. But this election as you and I and others have said over and over was different. To me, this was like choosing to have the common cold or cancer. It was a clear choice to me and evidently also to the 3 million voters in the popular vote who voted for Hillary. So, while I agree that there's always going to be some level of hypocrisy and disingenuousness on both sides of the political aisle, I also have a very hard time seeing how people can simply overlook all the danger signs that reeks of not only racist and discriminatory policies, but also the authoritarian nature of this administration. All the signs were there before the election. None of what we're seeing over the last 3 weeks should surprise anybody. This is a natural progression of running the kind of campaign he ran and this should concern everybody--Republicans included.
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Post by history2b on Feb 17, 2017 11:30:55 GMT -8
Yeah, I commented to Red too.
He's right that there are many abuses that are "normal" within our government but wrong if he claims all.
I challenge anyone, anywhere, to produce the proof that other presidents attempted to destroy the media and specifically discredit entire media institutions.
This is one of many foretelling signs. For me this exposing my long held personal view that Americans have been conditioned to be non participants for so long, now that a situation comes along that requires mass participation, people are asleep. They want to close their eyes and ears and pretend that if they remain in that state long enough, it'll all go away.
Only that isn't how democracy works.
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Post by lookaway on Feb 17, 2017 12:50:07 GMT -8
I found it odd, that there are those that saw no difference between Hillary and Clown hair? One is the mouth piece of the alt right and a billionaire and the other is a billionaire who has been ineffective in taking up for the poor. Smdh
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Post by history2b on Feb 17, 2017 13:05:39 GMT -8
I found it odd, that there are those that saw no difference between Hillary and Clown hair? One is the mouth piece of the alt right and a billionaire and the other is a billionaire who has been ineffective in taking up for the poor. Smdh ^ People who cannot discern propaganda from truths, people who don't know and don't want to know how information is manipulated to vie for their mind. Trained, like a dog, from a young age to subscribe to an ideological party and trust that their intentions are your vested interests. A situation ripe for constant exploitation.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 17, 2017 14:13:12 GMT -8
I'm not convinced entirely that people voted in this past cycle completely ignorant of what Trump was doing or saying. They knew exactly what was going on and AGREED WITH IT.
Ignorance is not the cause of that, at least not entirely. It was hatred. It was bigotry. It was racist, nativist and sexist.
The fact is there is still this portion of America that will not let stand the fact that a Black man was president of the United States for 8 years. But dammit, that ain't gonna happen again.
It was a Whitelash of epic proportions, and the Dems blithely ignored the signs. Will education help. Sure, why not. But what would really help is actually going out there and drum up the grass roots. The Anti-Tea Party if you will, and plain out vote this baseline strain of hatred.
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Post by history2b on Feb 17, 2017 14:26:18 GMT -8
I'm not convinced entirely that people voted in this past cycle completely ignorant of what Trump was doing or saying. They knew exactly what was going on and AGREED WITH IT. Ignorance is not the cause of that, at least not entirely. It was hatred. It was bigotry. It was racist, nativist and sexist. The fact is there is still this portion of America that will not let stand the fact that a Black man was president of the United States for 8 years. But dammit, that ain't gonna happen again. It was a Whitelash of epic proportions, and the Dems blithely ignored the signs. Will education help. Sure, why not. But what would really help is actually going out there and drum up the grass roots. The Anti-Tea Party if you will, and plain out vote this baseline strain of hatred. Yes absolutely there are many many people who believe in what he was projecting. But latching onto to xenophobic populism is still ignorant of actual policy. I can cite numerous examples.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 17, 2017 14:47:34 GMT -8
If you are saying knowledge of policy would swing the 2% to 3% percent margins in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that HRC needed to win, then perhaps.
But the rest couldn't give a damn about policy. That's a problem, but they refuse to listen. Haven't listened since 1980. As they say, you can bring a horse to water...
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 17, 2017 15:03:19 GMT -8
All I can say is I've never participated in this much political conversation on a sports messageboard before. I normally stay away from politics with people I don't know but it's evident by the length of this thread that this election will and the aftermath will test the will of Americans, the strength of the Constitution, and how much it has affected sports already.
It's a breath of fresh air seeing you guys intelligently discuss this on this board because it allows me to get off some steam when I can't openly talk about this stuff at work.
With as many posters as we have I'm sure there has to be somebody that's a Trump supporter. Not that I think they would want to get into this thread because it's obvious where we stand on the issue and not to turn this into a political messageboard, but I sure would like to hear a logical and coherent argument from somebody on the other side why they support Trump.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 17, 2017 15:31:01 GMT -8
You should check out some of the Dodger Boards. There are some liberals there, but mostly they are virulently conservative. Just right of Atilla the Hun.
Basically, all government sucks. All regulations suck. Hillary is a b*tch. Etc etc.
It got so bad, I had to get off.
I don't know if that says something about baseball fans vs basketball fans, or it was just that board. But in a city like LA, on a LA Dodger board, the team of Jackie Robinson, I was very shocked.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 17, 2017 15:48:35 GMT -8
You should check out some of the Dodger Boards. There are some liberals there, but mostly they are virulently conservative. Just right of Atilla the Hun. Basically, all government sucks. All regulations suck. Hillary is a b*tch. Etc etc. It got so bad, I had to get off. I don't know if that says something about baseball fans vs basketball fans, or it was just that board. But in a city like LA, on a LA Dodger board, the team of Jackie Robinson, I was very shocked. I'm not. Baseball fans and baseball culture in general is largely conservative. I'm sure some fanbases more than others, especially in Midwest cities. Also doesn't surprise that out of the big 3 (football, basketball, and baseball) it's the one that's the least progressive. The MLB fought tooth and nail against the use of cameras and technology to improve the game to assist the umpires to make the right calls on the field. It wasn't until they were darn near shamed into doing it when they finally gave in.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 17, 2017 16:00:34 GMT -8
I think between baseball and football though, football wins the virulently conservative award. From a good chunk of the ownership (i.e. Kraft, Jerry Jones), to players (that's you Brady), to management and coaching (Belichek), to the league officials (Goddell), it's very conservative and white I hate to say.
Note the reaction against Kaepernick. Yes Kap is a fool, but the backlash had some ugly tones.
It maybe the super macho, let's bash our heads in nature of the sport, but the conservatism you see up and down all levels of the sport...from Pop Warner to the pros.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 17, 2017 16:48:37 GMT -8
I think between baseball and football though, football wins the virulently conservative award. From a good chunk of the ownership (i.e. Kraft, Jerry Jones), to players (that's you Brady), to management and coaching (Belichek), to the league officials (Goddell), it's very conservative and white I hate to say. Note the reaction against Kaepernick. Yes Kap is a fool, but the backlash had some ugly tones. It maybe the super macho, let's bash our heads in nature of the sport, but the conservatism you see up and down all levels of the sport...from Pop Warner to the pros. I think it's more of a mix. And it largely depends on what city. If we're talking about fanbases then the large mettoplitan cities on the east and west coast will be more liberal. Football cities in the South and Midwest are more conservative. But like basketball most of the players are black and tend to be more Democrats than conservative . Owners and executives in suits and ties, more conservative.
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Post by history2b on Feb 17, 2017 17:36:47 GMT -8
You should check out some of the Dodger Boards. There are some liberals there, but mostly they are virulently conservative. Just right of Atilla the Hun. Basically, all government sucks. All regulations suck. Hillary is a b*tch. Etc etc. It got so bad, I had to get off. I don't know if that says something about baseball fans vs basketball fans, or it was just that board. But in a city like LA, on a LA Dodger board, the team of Jackie Robinson, I was very shocked. I think it has a lot to do with baseball vs basketball, socially and culturally speaking. I've seen various sports boards, dark web sites, social media etc, all echoing similar banter ball every example I've seen of anyone trying to support such ideas is always very weak and easily exposed. I find that people LOVE to latch onto an idea that's been articulated by someone that they try to make their own but can't.
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Post by history2b on Feb 17, 2017 17:40:44 GMT -8
All I can say is I've never participated in this much political conversation on a sports messageboard before. I normally stay away from politics with people I don't know but it's evident by the length of this thread that this election will and the aftermath will test the will of Americans, the strength of the Constitution, and how much it has affected sports already. It's a breath of fresh air seeing you guys intelligently discuss this on this board because it allows me to get off some steam when I can't openly talk about this stuff at work. With as many posters as we have I'm sure there has to be somebody that's a Trump supporter. Not that I think they would want to get into this thread because it's obvious where we stand on the issue and not to turn this into a political messageboard, but I sure would like to hear a logical and coherent argument from somebody on the other side why they support Trump.That's an impossibility and why you don't see that.
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