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Post by history2b on Feb 18, 2017 0:14:51 GMT -8
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 18, 2017 18:28:07 GMT -8
It took Putin 1 year to destroy the press and have RT be a slicker version of Pravda.
It took a couple of years to completely neutralize the courts and judges.
Then he decided to flaunt the laws, change them to his will, corrupt them, it didn't matter anymore.
And, of course, the Parliment was already eating out of his hands.
Next step was eliminating his opposition, and by that I mean really getting rid of them....poison, shooting, assasination.
People say Trump is following Hitler tactics. Wrong, he's following Putin's example. And the timetable fits.
Putin is an ex intelligence officer. He knows what he's doing.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 18, 2017 19:03:35 GMT -8
What is so disappointing to me is that just 3 more Dem seats in the Senate and a lot of this nightmare would have been avoided. Maybe 4 more to account for a few Red State Dems.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 18, 2017 20:07:18 GMT -8
When John McCain seems to be one of very few Republicans in the Senate with the voice of reason....... "If you want to preserve -- I'm very serious now -- if you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and many times adversarial press."
"And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started."
"They get started by suppressing free press, in other words, a consolidation of power -- when you look at history, the first thing that dictators do is shut down the press."
www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.htmlI've never been a fan of McCain, but I'll give props when it's due--he is 100% correct here.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 18, 2017 20:16:27 GMT -8
“If we are to keep the rule of law, it must not be a partisan question; it must not be the concern simply of lawyers. We must all defend it, passionately and whole-heartedly,” they wrote. “Without the rule of law, we may have a “so-called” president who in fact has become a tyrant. Fundamentally, this moment is not about Trump. It is about all of us.”
The last paragraph of the article is what I find the most profound about it.
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Post by samadams10 on Feb 18, 2017 21:06:21 GMT -8
When John McCain seems to be one of very few Republicans in the Senate with the voice of reason....... "If you want to preserve -- I'm very serious now -- if you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and many times adversarial press."
"And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started."
"They get started by suppressing free press, in other words, a consolidation of power -- when you look at history, the first thing that dictators do is shut down the press."
www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.htmlI've never been a fan of McCain, but I'll give props when it's due--he is 100% correct here. But will he actually do something or just be all talk? He expressed reservations about of dec of state etc then fell in line.
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Post by lakeshow on Feb 18, 2017 21:53:14 GMT -8
When John McCain seems to be one of very few Republicans in the Senate with the voice of reason....... "If you want to preserve -- I'm very serious now -- if you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and many times adversarial press."
"And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started."
"They get started by suppressing free press, in other words, a consolidation of power -- when you look at history, the first thing that dictators do is shut down the press."
www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.htmlI've never been a fan of McCain, but I'll give props when it's due--he is 100% correct here. But will he actually do something or just be all talk? He expressed reservations about of dec of state etc then fell in line. I don't know if there's much he can do Sam. I mean most of the Repubs are falling in line. Not much you can do if you're part of the very few speaking out about this in your party. But I'll give him credit for at least taking a stand on this issue.
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Post by hackashaq on Feb 18, 2017 22:29:00 GMT -8
I'll give him credit for the words for now, because that's all we are getting from the Reps. But as they say, words are cheap. It takes only 3 Reps to block what Trump is trying to do, but it seems that number is still to big to overcome.
Lets not forget that the majority of Trump's cabinet is getting through on a straightline party vote, which means McCain isn't exactly being the voice of reason 100% of the time?
And he is the Sen from Arizona, a state that is too often synonymous with right wing crazy....or straight out cray cray....although Florida is still way out in the lead.
He can't stray too far from the conservative fray.
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Post by shopson67 on Feb 18, 2017 22:49:59 GMT -8
You should check out some of the Dodger Boards. There are some liberals there, but mostly they are virulently conservative. Just right of Atilla the Hun. Basically, all government sucks. All regulations suck. Hillary is a b*tch. Etc etc. It got so bad, I had to get off. I don't know if that says something about baseball fans vs basketball fans, or it was just that board. But in a city like LA, on a LA Dodger board, the team of Jackie Robinson, I was very shocked. I think it has a lot to do with baseball vs basketball, socially and culturally speaking. I've seen various sports boards, dark web sites, social media etc, all echoing similar banter ball every example I've seen of anyone trying to support such ideas is always very weak and easily exposed. I find that people LOVE to latch onto an idea that's been articulated by someone that they try to make their own but can't. There are conservatives everywhere. On the Hoopla boards, there are members on the Rams/Dodgers/Lakers boards that are very conservative. I've tried to avoid any political topics with them, but the hatred around the Michael Sam draft was impossible to avoid. Unfortunately, two of the more conservative posters are also mods, so I just avoid those posts altogether, as they have also developed quick trigger fingers for suspensions. I just groan aloud at any political statements and just move to a different topic. It's one thing to be conservative and still be able to discuss a topic, and it's another altogether when they bottom out at pointing to the bible or just stew in their hatred. Of course, lately the issue has been taking players to task for refusing to visit Trump's white house, and said conservatives damning Chris Long for it, strangely enough just days/hours after applauding the ring he won with the goddamn hated Patriots. I couldn't wrap my head around that if I tried, lol.
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Post by shopson67 on Feb 18, 2017 22:58:36 GMT -8
To make the situation even scarier, the "tyrant" Trump is actually a puppet, whether that be of Steve Bannon, the Republican party, or ultimately Putin and Russia. He smiles mindlessly for the camera as he signs his (or Steve Bannon's) presidential decrees like a child proud of his art project. Does he realize he's just a pawn in all of this ultimately?
Any President that gets his "real news" from Alex Jones and Breitbart needs to be dealt with swiftly. Somewhat surprisingly, the stock market hasn't panicked yet under Trump, most likely due to the anticipated revocation of the Dodd/Frank consumer protection act.
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Post by samadams10 on Feb 19, 2017 16:25:33 GMT -8
But will he actually do something or just be all talk? He expressed reservations about of dec of state etc then fell in line. I don't know if there's much he can do Sam. I mean most of the Repubs are falling in line. Not much you can do if you're part of the very few speaking out about this in your party. But I'll give him credit for at least taking a stand on this issue. I ageee with everything hack said above. Yes it's good he's speaking out but hacks in his own party like rand Paul saying if McCain was in charge, there'd be perennial war. Despite being called ass ugly on the debate stage, he's more worried about his next election. I actually agree with one of the proposed policies by current admin re term limits fot these sleazeballs
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Post by lakeshow on Mar 6, 2017 16:51:12 GMT -8
First, it's the popular election is rigged.
Then, the media is a force of evil and an enemy of the people.
Then the Muslim travel ban.
Now.....Obama wiretapped his campaign......
What will it be next?
But on a bigger note, I'm telling you this guy is creating diversion after diversion because I believe this administration is hiding and I mean hiding something big. The man still hasn't released his tax returns and the only way he can get attention off this Russiagate and his shady nominees is to shift the blame and create false narratives that will turn people's attention on the wrong things.
And all of his supporters are being hoodwinked in the process, including the media.
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Post by lakeshow on Mar 6, 2017 16:54:49 GMT -8
I don't know if there's much he can do Sam. I mean most of the Repubs are falling in line. Not much you can do if you're part of the very few speaking out about this in your party. But I'll give him credit for at least taking a stand on this issue. I ageee with everything hack said above. Yes it's good he's speaking out but hacks in his own party like rand Paul saying if McCain was in charge, there'd be perennial war. Despite being called ass ugly on the debate stage, he's more worried about his next election. I actually agree with one of the proposed policies by current admin re term limits fot these sleazeballs He just got re-elected in November, so I don't think he's worried about that. He has another 6 years in office.
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Post by samadams10 on Mar 6, 2017 19:29:10 GMT -8
I ageee with everything hack said above. Yes it's good he's speaking out but hacks in his own party like rand Paul saying if McCain was in charge, there'd be perennial war. Despite being called ass ugly on the debate stage, he's more worried about his next election. I actually agree with one of the proposed policies by current admin re term limits fot these sleazeballs He just got re-elected in November, so I don't think he's worried about that. He has another 6 years in office. Is that ever a concern for these guys? They start worrying about the next term day 1
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Post by lakeshow on Mar 6, 2017 20:52:40 GMT -8
He just got re-elected in November, so I don't think he's worried about that. He has another 6 years in office. Is that ever a concern for these guys? They start worrying about the next term day 1 Yes, true. But McCain is so old I don't even think it matters to be honest. Re-elected or not, he's set for life.
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Post by samadams10 on Mar 6, 2017 21:07:02 GMT -8
Is that ever a concern for these guys? They start worrying about the next term day 1 Yes, true. But McCain is so old I don't even think it matters to be honest. Re-elected or not, he's set for life. True. I'm amazed by McCain. Back when he was running for pres agsint Obama they said he's too old. He's now outlasted Obama in government. In the thread I thought we talking about rand Paul?
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Post by lakeshow on Mar 7, 2017 12:38:01 GMT -8
Yes, true. But McCain is so old I don't even think it matters to be honest. Re-elected or not, he's set for life. True. I'm amazed by McCain. Back when he was running for pres agsint Obama they said he's too old. He's now outlasted Obama in government. In the thread I thought we talking about rand Paul? My response was in the context of your response to what I said about McCain.
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Post by shopson67 on Mar 7, 2017 12:59:00 GMT -8
Yes, true. But McCain is so old I don't even think it matters to be honest. Re-elected or not, he's set for life. True. I'm amazed by McCain. Back when he was running for pres agsint Obama they said he's too old. He's now outlasted Obama in government. Not exactly much of a path forward for Obama other than maybe "First Man" in a few elections. Presidents are typically out to pasture after their second term, other than some advisory roles.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Mar 7, 2017 18:06:25 GMT -8
To make the situation even scarier, the "tyrant" Trump is actually a puppet, whether that be of Steve Bannon, the Republican party, or ultimately Putin and Russia. He smiles mindlessly for the camera as he signs his (or Steve Bannon's) presidential decrees like a child proud of his art project. Does he realize he's just a pawn in all of this ultimately? Any President that gets his "real news" from Alex Jones and Breitbart needs to be dealt with swiftly. Somewhat surprisingly, the stock market hasn't panicked yet under Trump, most likely due to the anticipated revocation of the Dodd/Frank consumer protection act. Lol. Also, what exactly does "dealt with swiftly" mean?
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Post by samadams10 on Mar 7, 2017 19:43:30 GMT -8
True. I'm amazed by McCain. Back when he was running for pres agsint Obama they said he's too old. He's now outlasted Obama in government. In the thread I thought we talking about rand Paul? My response was in the context of your response to what I said about McCain. Ok. We had a comm failure there as I was referring to Rand. Trump said he's got a lot of material to work with as it relates to rand's face but he'll reserve his comments.
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