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Post by Fanofish on Mar 13, 2020 10:19:19 GMT -8
Bernie’s done. The DNC squashed that movement as soon as he won Nevada. It’s Democratic establishment vs Radicial insurgent far right populist Republican. That’s the war and it will imo make many people stay home and not vote. That's what worries me too. Far right voters staying home but as you noted. Warren on the ticket could alleviate that. I like klobuchar on the ticket and the better choice but that will keep the bernie bros home. Would love Klobuchar. She is not a republican. She is a moderate democrat that has been the lead democrat on 100+ bills (27 of which have become laws). In Bernie's 30+ years in Congress/Senate he has a total of 3 bills that have become laws. She is pragmatic in understanding if we are going to promote policy, we should indicate how we will pay for those policies. She can get people on the other side of the aisle to work with her. He wants to give away free shit to everyone, he's not a democrat and he would get zero cooperation from House and Senate republicans. So just a curious point: Bernie promotes the fact that his campaign is grass-roots funded. He doesn't subscribe to wealthy people supporting his campaign. So in essence, he is funding his campaign (approximately $18.50 per person) off the sweat of the people he is supposedly trying to help? You know, the people that can't afford to pay for their food and healthcare, but he's ok with them being the ones that fund his campaign? How is that not twisted logic? As well, he has no idea how he will pay for free healthcare, free college and cancelling college debt (my wife just paid off hers after 15 years so that seems fair). He says the $25 trillion that he can't account for as far as paying for it, will be paid by the "billionaires". However, he then says if he is president there will be no billionaires. WTF? He's as bad as Trump. Well, almost. But he is a gas-lighter. We need someone to pull our country together. Democrats don't like republicans. Republicans don't like democrats. Oftentimes, this is the case within one's family. If there was ever a time we needed to come together not only as a country, but as a planet, it is now! I don't care if you are republican or democrat. I do care if you are leading with hate. And I believe both of them, Trump (seemingly hates anyone that isn't of his political or racial persuasion) and Bernie (seemingly hates corporate America, anyone that is wealthy and democracy) exhibit that hatred. Biden does not. My view.
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Post by history2b on Mar 13, 2020 11:39:31 GMT -8
That's what worries me too. Far right voters staying home but as you noted. Warren on the ticket could alleviate that. I like klobuchar on the ticket and the better choice but that will keep the bernie bros home. Would love Klobuchar. She is not a republican. She is a moderate democrat that has been the lead democrat on 100+ bills (27 of which have become laws). In Bernie's 30+ years in Congress/Senate he has a total of 3 bills that have become laws. She is pragmatic in understanding if we are going to promote policy, we should indicate how we will pay for those policies. She can get people on the other side of the aisle to work with her. He wants to give away free shit to everyone, he's not a democrat and he would get zero cooperation from House and Senate republicans. So just a curious point: Bernie promotes the fact that his campaign is grass-roots funded. He doesn't subscribe to wealthy people supporting his campaign. So in essence, he is funding his campaign (approximately $18.50 per person) off the sweat of the people he is supposedly trying to help? You know, the people that can't afford to pay for their food and healthcare, but he's ok with them being the ones that fund his campaign? How is that not twisted logic? As well, he has no idea how he will pay for free healthcare, free college and cancelling college debt (my wife just paid off hers after 15 years so that seems fair). He says the $25 trillion that he can't account for as far as paying for it, will be paid by the "billionaires". However, he then says if he is president there will be no billionaires. WTF? He's as bad as Trump. Well, almost. But he is a gas-lighter. We need someone to pull our country together. Democrats don't like republicans. Republicans don't like democrats. Oftentimes, this is the case within one's family. If there was ever a time we needed to come together not only as a country, but as a planet, it is now! I don't care if you are republican or democrat. I do care if you are leading with hate. And I believe both of them, Trump (seemingly hates anyone that isn't of his political or racial persuasion) and Bernie (seemingly hates corporate America, anyone that is wealthy and democracy) exhibit that hatred. Biden does not. My view. Sanders did not accomplish anything in Congress because he was the sole Democratic Socialist in Congress. Getting things done in Washington is not a notch on the belt, it’s a game of lobbying, corporate power and serving that power. Screw Hillary Clinton’s corporatist view. Disagree about Klobuchar and most likely with your views of Democrat and Republican. Take the policy positions of Ronald Reagan and WH Bush... they’re right in line with the Biden’s, Clinton’s and Klobuchar’s of the world. Because the political spectrum of America swung off the map to the right in the last 30+ years. Now there is a neo fascist authoritarian kleptocrat running the Republican Party and the Democrats are what used to be Republican. It’s my view but it’s also that of political historians, sociologists etc. All anyone has to do is compare America to any other developed country in the world. There are Communist and Socialist parties all over Europe. Socialist parties are ruling parties in several nations in Europe. But the US propaganda machine beats down any movement and pushes people right back to their proper 2 choices Center right or far right. Also I’ll point out the elephant in the room regarding Sanders. Medicare for All would have alleviated the situation we’re faced with right now. Every country that is dealing with the virus has a universal healthcare system. It’s how they tested efficiently with Taiwan serving as the ideal model and South Korea right behind it. Both had responsible governments that intervened immediately and took control of both the testing and also the supply rationing. Prices were capped and production was accelerated to meet the impending demand. That’s how you handle crisis. The for profit system in place in America is unique to only America, no other country is this stupid about healthcare. And the moderates are as much to blame as the Republicans. Klobuchar and Biden would both be fine leaving 30 million people uninsured while playing politics with the Republicans to include preexisting conditions in care etc. Woefully inept.
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Post by hackashaq on Mar 13, 2020 16:12:45 GMT -8
Trump’s speech last night and his speech today were appalling.
I have never seen a leader of any country short of a banana republic act in that way. It was embarrassing as a country and especially in this time of need.
When will the people who voted for him see as the charlatan that he is?
He’s extremely dangerous and his ineptitude was on full display.
I don’t get it.
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Post by Fanofish on Mar 13, 2020 16:27:33 GMT -8
Trump’s speech last night and his speech today were appalling. I have never seen a leader of any country short of a banana republic act in that way. It was embarrassing as a country and especially in this time of need. When will the people who voted for him see as the charlatan that he is? He’s extremely dangerous and his ineptitude was on full display. I don’t get it. Couldn’t agree more. What’s right up there with that is watching the market move during that speech. Many here know my job was financial planning for a long time. During 911 and 2008. This was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. For the market to move like that going into a weekend where there is unprecedented uncertainty of infections, closings, etc...? Just unreal. I hope people that bought stock, and there were many, on that disaster of a pc, hold their stock through the next earnings announcements. And I think infections have just about doubled since yesterday. If that happens every day for the coming days and even weeks? You do the math.
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Post by hackashaq on Mar 13, 2020 18:07:36 GMT -8
I feel the market went up because Trump’s plan is to give more money and tax breaks to the corporations.
This is free money again.
And yet Trump is still slated to cut food stamps to people and require proof of 30 hours of work to get any financial aid.
This is just wrong. This was not what government or a civilized society was supposed to do.
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Post by history2b on Mar 13, 2020 21:14:43 GMT -8
I feel the market went up because Trump’s plan is to give more money and tax breaks to the corporations. This is free money again. And yet Trump is still slated to cut food stamps to people and require proof of 30 hours of work to get any financial aid. This is just wrong. This was not what government or a civilized society was supposed to do. It’s called socialism. If the government takes funds and gives it to corporations as a bailout THAT IS SOCIALISM. Now how long will sheep brained Americans sustain the indoctrinated behavior of consenting to corporate socialism without so much as a whisper about “who’s going to pay for it?” Who can say but until then it will continue to happen over and over again. And those people in corporate board rooms, lobbyists and Washington DC politicians think the masses are moronic suckers. Straight up.
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Post by hackashaq on Mar 14, 2020 13:11:56 GMT -8
Dude, I’m afraid Trump is gonna declare martial law, and suspend the elections.
This is how democracies die.
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Post by history2b on Mar 14, 2020 13:48:26 GMT -8
Dude, I’m afraid Trump is gonna declare martial law, and suspend the elections. This is how democracies die. A definite possibility. And one that will require an appropriate response from the people.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Mar 14, 2020 16:03:42 GMT -8
Dude, I’m afraid Trump is gonna declare martial law, and suspend the elections. This is how democracies die. A definite possibility. And one that will require an appropriate response from the people. Yup he would voted right out.
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Post by hackashaq on Mar 14, 2020 16:15:13 GMT -8
A definite possibility. And one that will require an appropriate response from the people. Yup he would voted right out. If there is an election. That’s the point. The people have to go into the streets like they did in South Korea after their corrupt and incompetent president went to far. She was impeached and then put in jail basically serving a life sentence now. The military has to also come out and explicit support the people. Not saying anything will happen, but Trump is losing his marbles.
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Post by history2b on Mar 14, 2020 16:39:44 GMT -8
I meant something different
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Post by hackashaq on Mar 14, 2020 16:41:46 GMT -8
I meant something different Revolution?
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Post by history2b on Mar 14, 2020 17:43:43 GMT -8
I meant something different Revolution? By any means necessary
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Post by lakeshow on May 31, 2020 19:39:55 GMT -8
This is what we are seeing right now. Will it produce lasting change? I don’t know but the last time I saw something like this was in 1992 in Los Angeles. I don’t know how much this impacts the political calculus in the election but this is the first time I feel like Trump is truly vulnerable in a way that he has not been before. His supporters in Congress can’t even show their faces and publicly support the nonsense he has said about this virus and his inability to bring calm to the outrage with the George Floyd murder. I’m not assuming anything in November but this is the time Biden needs to be showing leadership and be presidential by doing the thing Trump cannot do—bring calm and empathize with how people are feeling. The last devastating riot of this nature happened under George Bush I in 1992 even though it was mainly in LA, it spread to other major cities too. He didn’t survive it politically and lost in a landslide as the economy in 1991 to 1992 tanked as well. There is zero national leadership right now. I dare anybody to tell me how Trump is in any way competent to manage a national crisis. He’s a joke and so are his crony Republican supporters in Congress.
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Post by hackashaq on May 31, 2020 20:35:34 GMT -8
Trump is a Republican tool, in more ways than one. But the issue is that there is that percentage of Americans, who for lack of a better word, are racist. It shows up in many different forms. People who want to restrict immigration, who want people deported, who think people who are poor want to be that way as if it was a moral defect, who feel they are superior, who don’t want to help lower income people as if they were “lazy”. I can go on and on.
The question is will that “percentage” really see the light? Will they suddenly see the folly of their choices? I am a pessimist when it comes to this because for decades I’ve seen the same problems and reactions to progress. It is not coincidence that Trump became president after two terms of a black man becoming president. There is something innate about the US and the different cultural backgrounds that keeps bringing these issues to the fore.
I keep thinking things will change, but just like every gun massacre creates no changes to fix the problem, I feel there are people in power who actually feel the police are always right. It’s just happened too often in my life to feel the same way
I would not be surprised if that cop who killed Floyd will be acquitted just like the cops that almost beat Rodney King to death. I’m hoping to be wrong, but I just don’t know anymore.
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Post by lakeshow on Jun 1, 2020 12:09:43 GMT -8
Here comes some more from Popovich www.yahoo.com/sports/gregg-popovich-unleashes-fiery-statement-on-trump-what-we-have-is-a-fool-in-place-of-a-president-184310589.html“The thing that strikes me is that we all see this police violence and racism and we’ve seen it all before but nothing changes. That’s why these protests have been so explosive. But without leadership and an understanding of what the problem is, there will never be change. And white Americans have avoided reckoning with this problem forever because it’s been our privilege to be able to avoid it. That also has to change.”Popovich is my favorite coach. Period I don't care what anybody has to say about that.
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Post by Fanofish on Jun 1, 2020 15:43:45 GMT -8
Here comes some more from Popovich www.yahoo.com/sports/gregg-popovich-unleashes-fiery-statement-on-trump-what-we-have-is-a-fool-in-place-of-a-president-184310589.html“The thing that strikes me is that we all see this police violence and racism and we’ve seen it all before but nothing changes. That’s why these protests have been so explosive. But without leadership and an understanding of what the problem is, there will never be change. And white Americans have avoided reckoning with this problem forever because it’s been our privilege to be able to avoid it. That also has to change.”Popovich is my favorite coach. Period I don't care what anybody has to say about that. As a lifelong Spurs hater, I hate coach Popovich. Such an incredible coach that broke my heart many times. As a human being, Mr. Gregg Popovich is a national treasure. He is also my #1 coach. I had already felt that way after watching the way he dealt with a dying wife. Such dignity and strength and to continue coaching the entire time is amazing. But then. Instead of withdrawing and isolating, he became more active than ever in a way seemingly nobody else is. With all of the diversity among athletes and coaches, he is the most vocal. Hats off to you Coach.
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Post by samadams10 on Jun 1, 2020 19:49:42 GMT -8
These are some crazy times.
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Post by lakeshow on Jun 1, 2020 21:03:43 GMT -8
These are some crazy times. Indeed Sam Jan—Kobe’s death Feb, March, April, May—Pandemic May—Nationwide protests over police brutality This has been a challenging year so far. And it can get worse depending on how this pandemic plays out and certainly if the guy in the White House gets the-elected again. Something is telling me we are in for more hard times and maybe even another tragedy soon.
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Post by samadams10 on Jun 2, 2020 6:04:57 GMT -8
These are some crazy times. Indeed Sam Jan—Kobe’s death Feb, March, April, May—Pandemic May—Nationwide protests over police brutality This has been a challenging year so far. And it can get worse depending on how this pandemic plays out and certainly if the guy in the White House gets the-elected again. Something is telling me we are in for more hard times and maybe even another tragedy soon. Let's stay positive brother. Easier said than done.
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