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Post by history2b on Jul 1, 2024 19:35:13 GMT -8
After this SCOTUS ruling, we're all f*cked. Right radicals in France. Hungarian leadership in the EU Parliament. China barking at Taiwan. The regional and international landscape seems eerily similar to the late 1920's and early 1930's. That didn't turn out well for anyone. Been telling y’all this for a solid 8 years now. The SCOTUS ruling means Trump WILL abuse power like no one has ever seen in modern history, guaranteed.
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 2, 2024 11:34:56 GMT -8
After this SCOTUS ruling, we're all f*cked. Right radicals in France. Hungarian leadership in the EU Parliament. China barking at Taiwan. The regional and international landscape seems eerily similar to the late 1920's and early 1930's. That didn't turn out well for anyone. Been telling y’all this for a solid 8 years now. The SCOTUS ruling means Trump WILL abuse power like no one has ever seen in modern history, guaranteed. The SCOTUS conservatives are nothing but MAGA's. It will be very scary if Trump is re-elected.
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Post by history2b on Jul 8, 2024 21:54:53 GMT -8
France national elections are the blueprint for reform and hope in the USA.
President Emmanuel Macron, several term president and leader of the Centrist party in France (effectively the Biden / Romney factions of US parties but still further left than both) had been battling fiercely to fend off Marine Le Pen’s far right authoritarian fascist party for multiple election cycles. He was successful the last time but not this time.
Only it wasn’t Le Pen that won either. In France there aren’t just 2 clone parties that control everything. No, they have a truer form of democracy, one that is mitigated by, gasp, the will of the people by way of free choice.
Jean-Luc Mélenchon, long time French leftist party leader won the Presidency and his party made the largest gains in representation in the 577 seat parliament. For relative perspective, he is the Bernie Sanders of France.
The French parliament now has members from 4, yes FOUR major parties and another couple dozen from various fringe parties of both right and left leaning factions.
Mélenchon’s New Popular Front now has 182 seats in parliament to Macron’s Ensemble Alliance’s 168 and Le Pen’s National Rally party’s 143.
All of the media hoopla had Le Pen winning for weeks and they ended up finishing a distant 3rd place. Of course a real democracy has unpredictable results, unlike FAKE democracy that likes to predetermine winners as quickly as possible and squash all opposition to these predetermined winners.
British and US media are calling it “shock election” because big money interests couldn’t control the outcome. The same would be true in America if voters are permitted to vote based TRUE and REAL democratic ideals. Bernie Sanders would have wiped Dumbfuck Trump off the floor in 2016 if the corrupt DNC hadn’t subverted democracy and switched votes from Sanders to Clinton at the Convention in 2016. True story, when Trump was asked whom he did not want to debate back in 2016 he replied “Bernie Sanders” because he knew Al he had to rely on was beating the chimp drum of demonizing socialism to an uninformed brainwashed people who may be swayed by their tax dollars actually being used on their own benefit rather than for corporate welfare and war.
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 9, 2024 8:06:54 GMT -8
France national elections are the blueprint for reform and hope in the USA. President Emmanuel Macron, several term president and leader of the Centrist party in France (effectively the Biden / Romney factions of US parties but still further left than both) had been battling fiercely to fend off Marine Le Pen’s far right authoritarian fascist party for multiple election cycles. He was successful the last time but not this time. Only it wasn’t Le Pen that won either. In France there aren’t just 2 clone parties that control everything. No, they have a truer form of democracy, one that is mitigated by, gasp, the will of the people by way of free choice. Jean-Luc Mélenchon, long time French leftist party leader won the Presidency and his party made the largest gains in representation in the 577 seat parliament. For relative perspective, he is the Bernie Sanders of France. The French parliament now has members from 4, yes FOUR major parties and another couple dozen from various fringe parties of both right and left leaning factions. Mélenchon’s New Popular Front now has 182 seats in parliament to Macron’s Ensemble Alliance’s 168 and Le Pen’s National Rally party’s 143. All of the media hoopla had Le Pen winning for weeks and they ended up finishing a distant 3rd place. Of course a real democracy has unpredictable results, unlike FAKE democracy that likes to predetermine winners as quickly as possible and squash all opposition to these predetermined winners. British and US media are calling it “shock election” because big money interests couldn’t control the outcome. The same would be true in America if voters are permitted to vote based TRUE and REAL democratic ideals. Bernie Sanders would have wiped Dumbfuck Trump off the floor in 2016 if the corrupt DNC hadn’t subverted democracy and switched votes from Sanders to Clinton at the Convention in 2016. True story, when Trump was asked whom he did not want to debate back in 2016 he replied “Bernie Sanders” because he knew Al he had to rely on was beating the chimp drum of demonizing socialism to an uninformed brainwashed people who may be swayed by their tax dollars actually being used on their own benefit rather than for corporate welfare and war. Good stuff 2b. This 2 party system is clearly rubbing more and more Americans the wrong way, not enough at this point however. And I grew up in the 80s as a generation X guy. All I've known (as for just about everybody) is Democrats and Republicans and it hasn't been until about 7or 8 years ago until I really started to study and really understand the economic influence that corporations have had into our elections. For all of the things that may not be appealing about some European countries to Americans such as high taxation and unemployment, they seem to have gotten this part right. The problem is that the corporations and lobbyists that represent them seem to have a stranglehold on U.S. elections and it's going to seem to take something cataclysmic to happen in order to wake up Americans to the fact that this economic stronghold that corporations have on the outcome of elections is not in their best interest.
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Post by history2b on Jul 9, 2024 11:10:58 GMT -8
France national elections are the blueprint for reform and hope in the USA. President Emmanuel Macron, several term president and leader of the Centrist party in France (effectively the Biden / Romney factions of US parties but still further left than both) had been battling fiercely to fend off Marine Le Pen’s far right authoritarian fascist party for multiple election cycles. He was successful the last time but not this time. Only it wasn’t Le Pen that won either. In France there aren’t just 2 clone parties that control everything. No, they have a truer form of democracy, one that is mitigated by, gasp, the will of the people by way of free choice. Jean-Luc Mélenchon, long time French leftist party leader won the Presidency and his party made the largest gains in representation in the 577 seat parliament. For relative perspective, he is the Bernie Sanders of France. The French parliament now has members from 4, yes FOUR major parties and another couple dozen from various fringe parties of both right and left leaning factions. Mélenchon’s New Popular Front now has 182 seats in parliament to Macron’s Ensemble Alliance’s 168 and Le Pen’s National Rally party’s 143. All of the media hoopla had Le Pen winning for weeks and they ended up finishing a distant 3rd place. Of course a real democracy has unpredictable results, unlike FAKE democracy that likes to predetermine winners as quickly as possible and squash all opposition to these predetermined winners. British and US media are calling it “shock election” because big money interests couldn’t control the outcome. The same would be true in America if voters are permitted to vote based TRUE and REAL democratic ideals. Bernie Sanders would have wiped Dumbfuck Trump off the floor in 2016 if the corrupt DNC hadn’t subverted democracy and switched votes from Sanders to Clinton at the Convention in 2016. True story, when Trump was asked whom he did not want to debate back in 2016 he replied “Bernie Sanders” because he knew Al he had to rely on was beating the chimp drum of demonizing socialism to an uninformed brainwashed people who may be swayed by their tax dollars actually being used on their own benefit rather than for corporate welfare and war. Good stuff 2b. This 2 party system is clearly rubbing more and more Americans the wrong way, not enough at this point however. And I grew up in the 80s as a generation X guy. All I've known (as for just about everybody) is Democrats and Republicans and it hasn't been until about 7or 8 years ago until I really started to study and really understand the economic influence that corporations have had into our elections. For all of the things that may not be appealing about some European countries to Americans such as high taxation and unemployment, they seem to have gotten this part right. The problem is that the corporations and lobbyists that represent them seem to have a stranglehold on U.S. elections and it's going to seem to take something cataclysmic to happen in order to wake up Americans to the fact that this economic stronghold that corporations have on the outcome of elections is not in their best interest. Yes indeed. A lot of events could become that cause… Could be a world war, although it appears that such a war would be more like the Cold War part 2, an ongoing series of wars all over the globe, rather than an all out war like WWII Could be a significant natural disaster or a series of them over a sustained period of time. Or it could be, as I am hoping, that once Donald Fraud takes power again, then collapses both markets and infrastructures the people will awaken. I never imagined it this way in America but I also never saw a clear con fraud fuckface taking hold of an entire party and cult. With it being so, I now see America in a new transition phase unlike any other period in history.
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 9, 2024 14:02:49 GMT -8
Good stuff 2b. This 2 party system is clearly rubbing more and more Americans the wrong way, not enough at this point however. And I grew up in the 80s as a generation X guy. All I've known (as for just about everybody) is Democrats and Republicans and it hasn't been until about 7or 8 years ago until I really started to study and really understand the economic influence that corporations have had into our elections. For all of the things that may not be appealing about some European countries to Americans such as high taxation and unemployment, they seem to have gotten this part right. The problem is that the corporations and lobbyists that represent them seem to have a stranglehold on U.S. elections and it's going to seem to take something cataclysmic to happen in order to wake up Americans to the fact that this economic stronghold that corporations have on the outcome of elections is not in their best interest. Yes indeed. A lot of events could become that cause… Could be a world war, although it appears that such a war would be more like the Cold War part 2, an ongoing series of wars all over the globe, rather than an all out war like WWII Could be a significant natural disaster or a series of them over a sustained period of time. Or it could be, as I am hoping, that once Donald Fraud takes power again, then collapses both markets and infrastructures the people will awaken. I never imagined it this way in America but I also never saw a clear con fraud fuckface taking hold of an entire party and cult. With it being so, I now see America in a new transition phase unlike any other period in history. Oh god please don't say that. We cannot handle another 4 years of Trump man. He'll do so much more damage the second time around.
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Post by history2b on Jul 9, 2024 16:49:36 GMT -8
I’m pretty sure it’s going to happen because when the system produces only 2 options and both options are ineffectual, it sets a pendulum in motion that simply swings back and forth in a “no it’s their fault, no it’s their fault” motion.
Trump isn’t a Republican by any means of party tradition, Joe Biden is. Biden’s Senate voting record puts him on par with a prototypical Reagan Republican on both foreign policy, domestic economic policy and even social issues like abortion and gun control.
But the right wing has veered completely off the map in America for well over 2 decades now, leading to an authoritarian cult leader like Trump whom doesn’t embody any of the party line principles and is simply using the 2 party system to his benefit. He should be running as a 3rd party far right bloc like he really is but knows all he’d do in doing so is to break the Republican Party and hand over a win to the Democrats. Unless another 4th party could run simultaneously and split that vote as well, then it would all truly be up for grabs.
Instead we get an old Party bending to a dictator in waiting to simply not fall apart as a voting constituency.
With Joe and the Dems clinging to bs statistics about the economy that real people don’t actually feel within their lives it makes for a ripe situation for the pendulum to swing back the other way again. Of course if Joe were a capable orator like Slick Willie or the best orator of our generation Obama, he’d likely be able to swing middle America well enough away from the far right. He is not and even worse the Dem party shot down all other party options last election cycle in favor of old man Joe and are now paying the consequences.
The only way they’d win now imo is to put Bernie Sanders up as the nominee which they will never do and so they won’t win.
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Post by history2b on Jul 12, 2024 12:35:21 GMT -8
Jeremy Corbyn, long time left leader in the UK just won a parliamentary seat in British congress years after being ousted by the Labour Party.
Yet another left win despite all polls saying it couldn’t be done this time in Britain, not France.
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Post by history2b on Jul 13, 2024 15:44:00 GMT -8
Trump was just fired upon at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. It appears he was grazed in the ear… which would mean he was inches away from having it go thru his head.
I’m in shock. Didn’t think this was going to happen but I would say buckle up and gett ready for more violence.
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 13, 2024 16:13:41 GMT -8
Trump was just fired upon at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. It appears he was grazed in the ear… which would mean he was inches away from having it go thru his head. I’m in shock. Didn’t think this was going to happen but I would say buckle up and gett ready for more violence. Yup, it’s just getting started. And Biden better watch his back too.
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 13, 2024 18:13:03 GMT -8
Trump was just fired upon at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. It appears he was grazed in the ear… which would mean he was inches away from having it go thru his head. I’m in shock. Didn’t think this was going to happen but I would say buckle up and gett ready for more violence. Yup, it’s just getting started. And Biden better watch his back too. Actually, I misspoke. The violence has already been going on for far too long already. The difference is that it almost took the life of a politician. But none of it will change the narrative in the long-run over how easy it was for someone to get a rifle and almost take out someone who is running for president.
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Post by history2b on Jul 13, 2024 18:47:18 GMT -8
Yup, it’s just getting started. And Biden better watch his back too. Actually, I misspoke. The violence has already been going on for far too long already. The difference is that it almost took the life of a politician. But none of it will change the narrative in the long-run over how easy it was for someone to get a rifle and almost take out someone who is running for president. The Right’s response will be to paint this action as either a “Democrat” loon or “far left” crackpot. And also Joe Biden himself. I can already see the Biden conspiracies revolving around Biden’s last desperate act to beat Trump because he’s getting pushed out of the election. Sadly, we are at that point in society where all sorts of fragmented and distorted version of the truth that when held up to the light is basically based on nonsense. Politically motivated manipulation. They’re just waiting right now for the Fed investigation into who this man was and what his affiliations politically were. If at any point in the past this man supported BLM, Unions, or any specific political candidate, those entities will be deemed associated to inspire political violence etc. A lifetime of living in this country has taught me that no political party anywhere on planet earth, and I mean this quite literally, not exaggeration or hyperbole; no one plays the victim role harder than right wing American parties. With Trump now a legitimate victim, all the cries of woe is us will not only begin but sustain thru November. The shooter all but sealed Trump’s victory by missing by 2 inches.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Jul 14, 2024 7:16:23 GMT -8
Can't shake the feeling that the dumb fuck shooter may have just inadvertently handed Trump the election while attempting to ensure the opposite.
Looked like Trump turned his head at the last second before the trigger was pulled. That bullet ended up hitting his ear as a result of the head turn. Likely would have been a shot to the skull. Dumb fuck ended up killing a guy in the bleachers with one of his shots instead. Bizarre that a shooter was able to get on one of the very few rooftops in the area with a clear line of sight to the podium. That rally was in the middle of nowhere and should have been able to be 100% secure.
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Post by hackashaq on Jul 14, 2024 11:04:42 GMT -8
So the guy wasn't an expert shot.
More importantly, this is a sign of where political discourse has ended up.
Although it sounds like it, I'm not trying to victim blame or gaslight conservatives, but this is where the demonizing of political points of view and pitting groups against each other leads. You most certainly reap what you sow.
That being the case, we still don't know what motivated the shooter. He could just be a loon, and I'm sure he has an online history that might shed some light.
As for this sealing the deal, I'm not so sure. No doubt this will solidify his supporters, but whether that will change undecided voters, I don't know. Do people vote for candidates or change their minds because they were shot? Dies sympathy votes work that way?
If Trump wins it's because of the compromised nature of Biden. He needs to go, but his geriatric Irish stubborness will be the collapse of any democratic hopes for this country. It's the lack of enthusiasm for Biden that will lose this election.
I don't want my desire for a more open and understanding government to be the cause of people trying to off the otherside with violence. However, if a political group, who advocates for rampant gun ownership, the demonizing and deportation of large groups of immigrants, the support for fascist/dictatorships like Russia, whose party once put gun sights and targets on democratic candidates as part of a political ad (Palin), who supports neo-Nazin organizations like the Proud Boys,....if these are the kinds of things you support and put up a candidate that personifies these ideologies, it really isn't shocking that someone might think that an extreme response is justified.
All in all, I just feel so down about what is going on. I feel utterly hopeless, and I really fear where we are headed.
America is not even 300 years old, a really tiny blip in history as things go...an ink spot. It would be arrogant to think that we somehow created a perfect, immutable nation of freedom and democracy. Some may say it was never like that in the first place.
Why should we think everything will be fine in the long run?
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Post by history2b on Jul 14, 2024 11:22:55 GMT -8
I’ve long marveled at the delusion of fellow Americans regarding the infallibility of America. Most of my adult life but really really accelerated in the past 10 years or so. So much of that reverence is really just obedience in my view.
That said, these are and have been dangerous times since Donald Trump became a candidate. He’s fanned these flames of ire of the people below. He uses inferences of violence all the time. He was ultimately shot by a registered Republican with an AR style rifle.
Who that young man really was, I doubt we will ever know. Was he in contact with CIA operatives prior to yesterday like Lee Harvey Oswald was for months before Nov 22 1963. The media is already reporting Crooks had a minimal online presence. His digital life may have in fact already been scrubbed.
Shaolin is right, the kid very likely handed Trump the win in November. If the Democrats weren’t incompetent fools there may have been a chance to stave off the attack but politics in the US haven’t ever been about facts, but rather the manipulation of emotion based on propaganda. Trump now has a nuke arsenal of just that.
The only saving grace is that he can’t get up on the stage and say “Biden and the Democrats tried to take me out.” I wouldn’t put it past him to say something to that effect anyway but I question whether it would work given the facts about Crooks.
The Republicans National Convention will now become likely the biggest most watched convention in modern history. The things he will say and the effects it will have are unknown but I imagine this will be the fieriest speech he’s ever given.
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Post by history2b on Jul 14, 2024 11:31:44 GMT -8
And on that note Joe Biden goes up on TV and denounces violence in America saying “there is no place for this type of violence in America, against anyone.”
Meanwhile we are by far the most violent economically developed nation on earth with 2nd place being distant by a mile. Mass shootings on a daily basis. Schools shot up, supermarkets shot up, public events shot up. Violent car jackings and shootings a regular occurrence across the country, police forces becoming more like armed forces and increasingly deadly when dealing with the public.
It makes Joe Biden look like a delusional fool to stand up and say that there is no place for this in this country when it is, in fact, commonplace and a daily occurrence. It highlights how insulated he is in that DC bubble with 24 hour protection. It’s not his fault that America is in the state it is in culturally but saying the “right” thing isn’t going to connect with listeners when they can simply look out their windows and see the world on fire.
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Post by lakeshow on Jul 14, 2024 18:27:04 GMT -8
And on that note Joe Biden goes up on TV and denounces violence in America saying “there is no place for this type of violence in America, against anyone.”
Meanwhile we are by far the most violent economically developed nation on earth with 2nd place being distant by a mile. Mass shootings on a daily basis. Schools shot up, supermarkets shot up, public events shot up. Violent car jackings and shootings a regular occurrence across the country, police forces becoming more like armed forces and increasingly deadly when dealing with the public.
It makes Joe Biden look like a delusional fool to stand up and say that there is no place for this in this country when it is, in fact, commonplace and a daily occurrence. It highlights how insulated he is in that DC bubble with 24 hour protection. It’s not his fault that America is in the state it is in culturally but saying the “right” thing isn’t going to connect with listeners when they can simply look out their windows and see the world on fire. I agree with your overall point about the chickens coming home to roost when it comes to gun violence in America and then Americans being "shocked" when someone running for office becomes a victim of gun violence.
However, any president in Biden's position tonight would have said the exact same thing. Of course he was going to say that because that was the moral and the politically correct thing to say.
The gun violence epidemic is WAY bigger than a politician, even the president of the US.
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Post by history2b on Jul 14, 2024 21:29:33 GMT -8
It is bigger than any President but the dumbfuck running for President who just got shot has built a coalition of followers based on not only limiting restrictions on access to guns but expanding access.
They hoot and holler and screech about it at rallies and on their social media platforms and now one of them did what he did. A legal gun owner. A registered Republican. Bullets purchased legally just before the shooting.
That part about it I find funny because I know they were praying it was a BLM Antifa black man who stole a gun and works for George Soros. Tough shit fuckfaces, it was one your children.
Violence isn’t ok and shouldn’t be the answer for disagreement and yet it is exactly what we yield all over this globe whenever we damn well please. We do it to our people and our own people do it to each other because violence begets violence. Most mass shooters are from a military background. Many serial killers within this country are too.
It’s just a joke of a world that we, as a nation, produce so much violence, celebrate and commodify violence only to act shocked and horrored selectively when it occurs. It’s hypocritical and insulting to pretend this isn’t apart of a bigger problem rooted in longstanding American policy and tradition.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Jul 16, 2024 17:01:37 GMT -8
So the guy wasn't an expert shot. More importantly, this is a sign of where political discourse has ended up. Although it sounds like it, I'm not trying to victim blame or gaslight conservatives, but this is where the demonizing of political points of view and pitting groups against each other leads. You most certainly reap what you sow. That being the case, we still don't know what motivated the shooter. He could just be a loon, and I'm sure he has an online history that might shed some light. As for this sealing the deal, I'm not so sure. No doubt this will solidify his supporters, but whether that will change undecided voters, I don't know. Do people vote for candidates or change their minds because they were shot? Dies sympathy votes work that way? If Trump wins it's because of the compromised nature of Biden. He needs to go, but his geriatric Irish stubborness will be the collapse of any democratic hopes for this country. It's the lack of enthusiasm for Biden that will lose this election. I don't want my desire for a more open and understanding government to be the cause of people trying to off the otherside with violence. However, if a political group, who advocates for rampant gun ownership, the demonizing and deportation of large groups of immigrants, the support for fascist/dictatorships like Russia, whose party once put gun sights and targets on democratic candidates as part of a political ad (Palin), who supports neo-Nazin organizations like the Proud Boys,....if these are the kinds of things you support and put up a candidate that personifies these ideologies, it really isn't shocking that someone might think that an extreme response is justified. All in all, I just feel so down about what is going on. I feel utterly hopeless, and I really fear where we are headed. America is not even 300 years old, a really tiny blip in history as things go...an ink spot. It would be arrogant to think that we somehow created a perfect, immutable nation of freedom and democracy. Some may say it was never like that in the first place. Why should we think everything will be fine in the long run? The guy actually shot pretty well. He just didn't expect Trump to turn his head at the moment he decided to pull the trigger. First shot would have gone right thru the skull and we all would have witnessed a (former and potential) presidential assassination on TV. I have to agree with 2b about Biden coming across like a delusional fool afterwards. Maybe some will lap it up but non-chimps know he's full of shit. If you're going to be politically correct at least be correct. This nation was born in political violence and has experienced it and all other types of violence fairly consistently since then. What is damaged more than anything imo is the messaging i.e. Trump is a dangerous dictator, a legit threat, needs to be taken out etc. Whether you think this is true or not, many of the highest ranking dems have posted prayers for him and denounced the violent act. If he's a super villain and a legit threat and Hitler 2.0 then what the fuck are you doing? The messaging doesn't compute and I think it only throws more cold water on Bidens campaign.
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Post by history2b on Jul 16, 2024 23:43:52 GMT -8
I think it definitely throws cold water on the Biden campaign for sure. It was already going belly up and now this? A complete gift for Trump politically, again.
However, there are reports that in light of Democrats coming out and denouncing the attack, Trump will focus his Convention speech around “unity” and tempering down rhetoric. Like eye witnesses who were interviewed after the assassination rally, “people [here] are angry” not speaking about reaction to the assassination attempt but their disposition at the rally altogether. Anyone who knows anything about the Trump movement, it is that he has tapped into that anger, inflaming it and creating a mob mentality. There are dozens of examples, none more pertinent than Jan 6.
Now he’s going to temper down that flame and speak in terms of peace and unity as a country? Call me skeptical but I don’t buy it. If he does in fact stick to this direction about a month from now his polling numbers will sink and he’ll revert back to stoking the flame.
I think if he does anything of this nature it’ll prescripted bullshit that he staggers through reading like a 7 year old then say many things to the contrary moments later like passive aggressive schizo leader that he is.
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