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Post by history2b on Aug 6, 2024 15:25:00 GMT -8
I completely overlooked Shapiros pro-Israel stance. They could lose some Jewish votes with Walz pick but then again they're only like 2.5% of the population. Better off trying to keep the young votes as 2b mentioned. Trump will guaranteed take the Israel issue right at Harris and Walz. Likely playing long time ally status etc. Jewish population is small and mostly concentrated in the urban areas that are blue dominated but the pro Israel lobby has for many decades now infiltrated Evangelical circles pumping the bullshit notion that Jesus will return to earth and when he does it will be in Israel therefore we need to protect it. The evangelical vote is already completely aligned with Trump, both officially and unofficially. Prosperity gospel, the bullshit heretical doctrine of American evangelism, deludes its followers that Trump is the chosen one. The election may very well come down to this issue.
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 7, 2024 8:36:40 GMT -8
I was thinking Shapiro from PA but perhaps they are confident enough in PA already so no need. Interesting scenario... if Dems score all 3 of Wisconsin/Michigan/PA and Repubs score Nevada/Georgia/Arizona along with the red congressional district in Maine and the Omaha Nebraska congressional district, there is a real chance it ends up 269 to 269 in the electoral college vote. That would send the election to the House of Representatives where the Repubs have the vote advantage. Shapiro has some baggage
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 7, 2024 8:38:50 GMT -8
I thought Shapiro would be the better pick because it would all but lock up Pennsylvania. However, to 2b’s point I think Walz appeals much better to the young voters out there who are pissed off and protesting against Israel. Shapiro would likely alienate that voting bloc. I have to say Walz comes across very genuine and I like the fact that he knows what it means to be a lower middle class citizen trying to pay the bills. He was a Social Studies teacher card high school football coach too. He talks very common sense and I’m liking him more and more. He is very likely the most progressive candidate on the Democratic side. At the end of the day I like the direction it is still heading for Harris, but there is still a long way to go and a lot of work to do. Yep Shapiro Israel stance will sink the Ds. Everyone so far loves Dad jokes Walz except ofc the magas.
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Post by history2b on Aug 7, 2024 10:38:47 GMT -8
I didn’t realize that Walz was the original source for the “weird” label of Trumpanzees… Wild how this 4th grade zinger ended up sticking and stinging a mob right at the core. It’s very revealing on their part that they know they aren’t right.
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Post by history2b on Aug 7, 2024 11:35:28 GMT -8
AIPAC, a conservative backed campaign finance organization has launched 2 of the most expensive Congressional campaigns in U.S. history this election cycle all to oust 2 members of “the squad.” These are Republicans funding Democratic candidates in order remove “far left” candidates from Congress.
And some dumbfucks thinks THIS is how you “get things done in America. I’m pissed because Americans are so fucking stupid.
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Post by lakeshow on Aug 7, 2024 16:31:47 GMT -8
I didn’t realize that Walz was the original source for the “weird” label of Trumpanzees… Wild how this 4th grade zinger ended up sticking and stinging a mob right at the core. It’s very revealing on their part that they know they aren’t right. Honestly, I don't think they care that they are weird. They're actually much more than that. That was being nice. I look forward to this thread reaching 2,000 posts and 50,000 views by the end of the year
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Post by lakeshow on Aug 9, 2024 16:06:13 GMT -8
Whoah... Kamala picks Walz from Minnesota as her VP running mate?? Not sure what the reasoning is. Why not go for someone in a swing state?? She chose the most progressive candidate among her pool of candidates approved by the DNC. Already being painted as “far left” by morons who couldn’t accurately define a political spectrum of their life depended on it. Walz is far left according to the right because he provides free school lunches to the poorest school children in his state. If you can wrap your head around that and think it makes sense, then you too have been skull fucked by the right wing media. Basically Harris and the DNC are doubling down on Gen Z and their broad base of new voters. About 41 million NEW voters 18-21 that weren’t eligible last election cycle. Also an estimated 21 million voting boomers have since passed. It’s all only a matter of time before the avalanche comes crashing down on Republicans and then eventually Democrats if they don’t evolve. The next generation will have grown up with empathetic values stemming from the internet culture post 9/11. They will not have been lifetime indoctrinated against socialism and communism like the boomers and Gen X. I don’t know if this calculus will work for Harris but I like it much better than most of the other options. Especially that shithead from Arizona. What's the issue with Mark Kelly 2b?
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Post by history2b on Aug 9, 2024 17:55:29 GMT -8
What’s there to like? Another do nothing Republicrat who votes to take more tax dollars every year and gives it to an ever expanding military. Not only does he vote for it, he’s apart of the committee credited with making sure this is exactly what happens year after year.
Any member of Congress who does this is a shithead to me.
Throw in “border security” act that he plays in immigration sensitive Arizona, where his positions lie closer to Trump than to even Biden. Another hypocrite who knows damn well that US business not only keeps the flow of immigrants coming but is entirely reliant on it for the entire US economy.
Fuck that guy, Walz is a much more palatable Dem.
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Post by lakeshow on Aug 9, 2024 18:33:57 GMT -8
What’s there to like? Another do nothing Republicrat who votes to take more tax dollars every year and gives it to an ever expanding military. Not only does he vote for it, he’s apart of the committee credited with making sure this is exactly what happens year after year. Any member of Congress who does this is a shithead to me. Throw in “border security” act that he plays in immigration sensitive Arizona, where his positions lie closer to Trump than to even Biden. Another hypocrite who knows damn well that US business not only keeps the flow of immigrants coming but is entirely reliant on it for the entire US economy. Fuck that guy, Walz is a much more palatable Dem. Got you.....because I was going to say you can call them all "shitheads". But I'm sure Walz is pretty much in line if not with the exact things you detest, other things you detest just as much.
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Post by history2b on Aug 10, 2024 9:52:07 GMT -8
What’s there to like? Another do nothing Republicrat who votes to take more tax dollars every year and gives it to an ever expanding military. Not only does he vote for it, he’s apart of the committee credited with making sure this is exactly what happens year after year. Any member of Congress who does this is a shithead to me. Throw in “border security” act that he plays in immigration sensitive Arizona, where his positions lie closer to Trump than to even Biden. Another hypocrite who knows damn well that US business not only keeps the flow of immigrants coming but is entirely reliant on it for the entire US economy. Fuck that guy, Walz is a much more palatable Dem. Got you.....because I was going to say you can call them all "shitheads". But I'm sure Walz is pretty much in line if not with the exact things you detest, other things you detest just as much. He is, as most Dems and Repubs are. Which is why I’ve been saying that the 2 parties are aligned on 90% of things and make a big political stink about the other 10% to create an illusion of dissent. The 2 parties work together has gotten us to where we are today, not any extreme party because no extreme party has ever had a full control. But to call Walz far left is utter stupidity. Like you said he supports the things all senators (except Bernie Sanders and sometimes Elizabeth Warren) do. Trump at a rally just said he’s “left off Bernie Sanders” which is laughable and completely false. That’s how politics labeling works in America; anyone who deviates from the Dem~Repub alliance is extreme and far ___. In the case of Walz, the handful of gestures he makes to the working people of Minnesota is more than 99% of all of Congress. We need more but will take what we can get from such a big position in government. Kelly on the other hand has taken cues from John McCain, looking to fill that void in his state after his passing because that type of militaristic worship sells politically in the region. Literally achieves and does nothing else.
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Post by shopson67 on Aug 13, 2024 8:09:18 GMT -8
I didn’t realize that Walz was the original source for the “weird” label of Trumpanzees… Wild how this 4th grade zinger ended up sticking and stinging a mob right at the core. It’s very revealing on their part that they know they aren’t right. I don't know if he originated that; Seth Meyers has been calling Trump weird for years now.
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Post by shopson67 on Aug 13, 2024 8:12:30 GMT -8
I didn’t realize that Walz was the original source for the “weird” label of Trumpanzees… Wild how this 4th grade zinger ended up sticking and stinging a mob right at the core. It’s very revealing on their part that they know they aren’t right. I don't know if he originated that; Seth Meyers has been calling Trump weird for years now. All the shots being taken at Kamala and Walz are just carbon copies of what was accused of Biden (and probably Hillary) in previous elections. Trump and the right have a limited playbook that just substitutes the new names into the script. Many of Trumps' "zingers" are essentially word for word rehashes.
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Post by lakeshow on Aug 29, 2024 11:57:34 GMT -8
Been a minute since I've posted about the election because I wanted to see how things played out since Biden dropped out and Kamala took over.
Based on everything that I've observed thus far, I'm confident Kamala is going to win. I honestly won't be surprised if it's by a large margin too. This wave of support she has is gotten is not temporary, she's maintained it and it is steadily increasing. It's not because of her policies, because she's been relatively quiet on that although I expect to hear more after her interview on CNN today. When you look at Trump and his campaign, he keeps resorting to his same old play book--trying to stoke fear--fear of immigrants, fear of people of color, blatantly lying, and painting his opponents as "extremists". All tactics that worked in 2016 because he went up against a weak opponent in Clinton who took way too much for granted, but those tactics failed in 2020 and will fail again in 2024. Kamala chose a VP that people like and her campaign is taking a much more optimistic approach to governing. In contrast, Vance comes across as an idiot and anti-woman and is not liked by many. It's not that Trump doesn't have anything to go after Kamala on (he does), it's that he and his allies continue to believe that this is still 2016. And very importantly, he has NOT significantly expanded his base. He just doubles down on what his base already believes and he hopes that going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories is going to somehow get him over the hump. He's getting worse and worse too. The guy can't put 2 sentences together and randomly talks about nonsense when he's in front of the public. And if you haven't noticed, he sounds tired and worn out. Republicans are quietly tired of Trump and many will vote for Kamala for that reason too.
Of course there's still enough time left for things to change, but unless Kamala makes huge strategic mistakes in her campaign I think this is her election to lose at this point.
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Post by history2b on Aug 29, 2024 18:36:43 GMT -8
We’ve been down this path before brother. Mainstream media had Hilary winning all the way in 2016, polls said so for weeks. Things look good for the DNC at the moment because they’ve played their cards well this time around. Make no mistake, Kamala hasn’t revealed her policy plans because he likely doesn’t have any (just like Trump) that are any different from the standard party procedure and because if she did reveal it, Trump would use it as ammo.
To their credit it is the right hand to play in order to win in November. Now the American people get 2 sides neither of whom have policy plans to choose in their “democracy.” Biggest horseshit democracy on Earth.
If she does reveal her plans on policy Trump will simply take the opposite position no matter what it is. That’s his game; the other person is incompetent or a socialist blah blah, he’s the only master in the universe, vote for him. By not giving him the ammo he’s stuck holding his dick without a pot to piss in. The Republicans are encouraging him to speak on policy instead of personal attacks but his politics are only personal attacks and corruption, literally nothing else. He can’t call voting base morons even though he absolutely believes that they are so he has to steam about not being treated fairly.
In America you no longer vote for the party you believe in based on what they’ll do in office, you vote against what you fear from the other side of a double sided coin.
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Post by lakeshow on Aug 29, 2024 20:36:55 GMT -8
We’ve been down this path before brother. Mainstream media had Hilary winning all the way in 2016, polls said so for weeks. Things look good for the DNC at the moment because they’ve played their cards well this time around. Make no mistake, Kamala hasn’t revealed her policy plans because he likely doesn’t have any (just like Trump) that are any different from the standard party procedure and because if she did reveal it, Trump would use it as ammo. To their credit it is the right hand to play in order to win in November. Now the American people get 2 sides neither of whom have policy plans to choose in their “democracy.” Biggest horseshit democracy on Earth. If she does reveal her plans on policy Trump will simply take the opposite position no matter what it is. That’s his game; the other person is incompetent or a socialist blah blah, he’s the only master in the universe, vote for him. By not giving him the ammo he’s stuck holding his dick without a pot to piss in. The Republicans are encouraging him to speak on policy instead of personal attacks but his politics are only personal attacks and corruption, literally nothing else. He can’t call voting base morons even though he absolutely believes that they are so he has to steam about not being treated fairly. In America you no longer vote for the party you believe in based on what they’ll do in office, you vote against what you fear from the other side of a double sided coin. Ok, but the biggest difference between now and 2016 is that Trump actually has a record he has to stand on now. And that record is stained with 2 impeachments, mismanaging a global pandemic, being the catalyst of an insurrection to overthrow the 2020 election, getting a zillion indictments for breaking the law while in office, being found guilty of rape, and being a convicted felon among other things. This is a completely different political landscape than what he was facing in 2016. Hillary had that Benghazi scandal follow her everywhere she went and e-mails that haunted her. That on top of her arrogance in believing she didn’t have to work as hard to get votes was why she failed. She didn’t even campaign one day in Wisconsin and largely ignored those other blue wall states that went to Trump in 2016. You add in the fact that there’s a portion of the Republican base that is worn out by MAGA and either will not vote for either candidate or will vote for Kamala because they’re tired of the chaos that Trump brings. The rest of what you said, we’ve talked about on many occasions and we generally agree about that. But I wouldn’t compare this election to 2016 by any stretch. In fact, I think the polls are being much more conservative this time around than in 2016 because the pollsters were so embarrassed that they got it so wrong 8 years ago.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Aug 30, 2024 4:50:37 GMT -8
Good lord. That CNN interview was bad.
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Post by samadams10 on Aug 30, 2024 6:18:39 GMT -8
Good lord. That CNN interview was bad. In terms of questions or responses?
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Post by history2b on Aug 30, 2024 15:28:22 GMT -8
We’ve been down this path before brother. Mainstream media had Hilary winning all the way in 2016, polls said so for weeks. Things look good for the DNC at the moment because they’ve played their cards well this time around. Make no mistake, Kamala hasn’t revealed her policy plans because he likely doesn’t have any (just like Trump) that are any different from the standard party procedure and because if she did reveal it, Trump would use it as ammo. To their credit it is the right hand to play in order to win in November. Now the American people get 2 sides neither of whom have policy plans to choose in their “democracy.” Biggest horseshit democracy on Earth. If she does reveal her plans on policy Trump will simply take the opposite position no matter what it is. That’s his game; the other person is incompetent or a socialist blah blah, he’s the only master in the universe, vote for him. By not giving him the ammo he’s stuck holding his dick without a pot to piss in. The Republicans are encouraging him to speak on policy instead of personal attacks but his politics are only personal attacks and corruption, literally nothing else. He can’t call voting base morons even though he absolutely believes that they are so he has to steam about not being treated fairly. In America you no longer vote for the party you believe in based on what they’ll do in office, you vote against what you fear from the other side of a double sided coin. Ok, but the biggest difference between now and 2016 is that Trump actually has a record he has to stand on now. And that record is stained with 2 impeachments, mismanaging a global pandemic, being the catalyst of an insurrection to overthrow the 2020 election, getting a zillion indictments for breaking the law while in office, being found guilty of rape, and being a convicted felon among other things. This is a completely different political landscape than what he was facing in 2016. Hillary had that Benghazi scandal follow her everywhere she went and e-mails that haunted her. That on top of her arrogance in believing she didn’t have to work as hard to get votes was why she failed. She didn’t even campaign one day in Wisconsin and largely ignored those other blue wall states that went to Trump in 2016. You add in the fact that there’s a portion of the Republican base that is worn out by MAGA and either will not vote for either candidate or will vote for Kamala because they’re tired of the chaos that Trump brings. The rest of what you said, we’ve talked about on many occasions and we generally agree about that. But I wouldn’t compare this election to 2016 by any stretch. In fact, I think the polls are being much more conservative this time around than in 2016 because the pollsters were so embarrassed that they got it so wrong 8 years ago. I really don’t think that Trump’s record is a really big issue in this election. If it were he would not be the nominee for the 3rd election in a row. I mean there are “undecided independents” in the hundreds of thousands still mulling over the decision between him and Kamala. Another sign of lunacy and absurdity in this country. All that said I think Kamala is in a good place at the moment and provided she doesn’t get her ass handed to her in the debate she should be cleared for takeoff. How she handles the debate will either seal the deal or break her momentum and send us to a furious finish like 2020 all over again except worse. There are reports right now that Republican officials in Georgia are paving the way to dictate the vote of the state regardless of the public’s vote.
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Post by shaolinfighter on Aug 30, 2024 17:27:13 GMT -8
Good lord. That CNN interview was bad. In terms of questions or responses? Little bit of both. To me, Kamala seems unprepared for a debate against Trump. I think its a strong probability the debate(s) will not go well for her. And her sticking to her guns saying Biden was perfectly fine, sharp, smart, healthy blah blah blah is just a joke. Anybody with two honest eyes could see Biden should have dropped out earlier and let the process of picking a new party candidate play out properly. I didn't think Walz came across very strong and his "answer" about stolen valor was weak... there wasn't enough push-back from Dana Bash when his excuse was 20 years of bad grammar. Vance doesn't seem very talented to me but I'm not very confident in Walz on a debate stage with him either. This whole thing is an absolute shit show and an embarrassment to our country. And now RFK Jr has endorsed Trump which will swing the vote a little more his way. The election is going to be close either way it goes and the shit show will roll on.
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Post by history2b on Aug 31, 2024 12:55:28 GMT -8
Nah, the one thing Dems have over Repubs for sure this time is Walz over Vance. It’s not even close. VPs don’t win elections though they just tip scales a bit.
When it comes to elections likability matters a lot. JD Vance isn’t very likable and doesn’t have any ideas or plans to improve the country at all. The things he says he ends up sticking his foot in his mouth.
Walz on the other hand is likable, quick with wit and can at least rely on some record of doing something in government.
In a debate Vance gets trashed imo but no one really cares too much about the VP debates.
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